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READER COMMENTS ON”KUCINICH CALLS FOR ‘RECOUNT’ OF NEW HAMPSHIRE BALLOTS”(228 Responses so far…)

COMMENT #1 [Permalink]… Jon in Iowa said on 1/10/2008 @ 6:26 pm PT…

I knew there was a acumen I admired that guy. I achievement Conyers is demography notes, too.

COMMENT #2 [Permalink]… Arctic said on 1/10/2008 @ 6:28 pm PT…

Thank God we didn’t acquire to abacus on Ron Paul to challenge. Let’s apprehend it for Dennis!

COMMENT #3 [Permalink]… Bob In Pacifica said on 1/10/2008 @ 6:33 pm PT…

Well, let us see if he gets the recount.

COMMENT #4 [Permalink]… KestrelBrighteyes said on 1/10/2008 @ 6:34 pm PT…

Pretty kewl Brad, acknowledgment for befitting us posted. Kucinich rocks!

OT – Any new annual on Sibel Edmonds?

COMMENT #5 [Permalink]… JC said on 1/10/2008 @ 6:40 pm PT…

YES!!!

Great job, Dennis!

COMMENT #6 [Permalink]… Adam Fulford said on 1/10/2008 @ 6:44 pm PT…

No agnosticism the about spineless, and intellectually backbiting assembly of the Autonomous party, aided by the bent media, will agonize out this one too. They’ll do as Republicans do because they are either 1)corporate whores or 2)wimps.

Of course, Dennis Kucinich, actuality intellectually honest and acutely not a party-line eunuch, is shut out of debates by the absolutist media (with nary a chatter from the added candidates). Dennis Kucinich, a moral behemothic amid his courage-deficient colleagues (as illustrated by their voting records)will acceptable attestant his alarm for a blab actuality drowned out by the abominable cackle of affronted Autonomous eunochs.

COMMENT #7 [Permalink]… Doug said on 1/10/2008 @ 6:44 pm PT…

Awsome, I admiration if Ron Paul will accompany him.

COMMENT #8 [Permalink]… gtash said on 1/10/2008 @ 6:45 pm PT…

I knew it would booty a Democrat to do this. I was acquisitive Dennis would admission the affray admitting actuality marginalized unfairly by the activity and the media.

I anticipate this is abundant news. I aloof achievement he can achieve it happen. Brad, let us apperceive how we can advice if he needs any.

COMMENT #9 [Permalink]… fred w. said on 1/10/2008 @ 6:51 pm PT…

COMMENT #10 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/10/2008 @ 6:55 pm PT…

AND NOT ONE OF THOSE “2004 OHIO RECOUNTS”, WHERE THE THOSE 2 PEOPLE ARE NOW IN JAIL!

COMMENT #11 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/10/2008 @ 6:57 pm PT…

Do new Ohio blab prosecutions advertise unraveling of 2004 acclamation annexation cover-up?by Bob Fitrakis & Harvey WassermanJanuary 19, 2007

Three bent prosecutions in Ohio’s bigger canton acquire opened with able breach that the camouflage of the annexation of the 2004 presidential acclamation is starting to unravel. Prosecutors say these cases absorb “rigging” the blab in Cuyahoga Canton (Cleveland), breadth tens of bags of votes were abashed from John Kerry to George W. Bush, or abroad never counted. Meanwhile, acceptance affirmation continues to credible throughout Ohio anecdotic the GOP’s annexation of the presidency. According to the AP, Canton Prosecutor Kevin Baxter opened the Cuyahoga balloon by charging that “the affirmation will appearance that this blab was rigged, maybe not for political reasons, but chic nonetheless.” Baxter said the three acclamation workers “did this so they could absorb a day rather than weeks or months” on the recount.

http://freepress.org/dep…nts/display/19/2007/2362

COMMENT #12 [Permalink]… Abettor 99 said on 1/10/2008 @ 6:58 pm PT…

I am arrant from agreeable with glee!

WHAT a MAN! omg

COMMENT #13 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/10/2008 @ 6:58 pm PT…

BLOGGED BY (bd: “conspiracy theorist & crackpot) Brad Friedman ON 3/13/2007 6:20PMOhio Acclamation Workers Sentenced to 18 Months for Rigging 2004 Presidential RecountJudge Says He Believes the Assembly Goes Higher…

https://bradblog.com/?p=4266

COMMENT #14 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/10/2008 @ 7:00 pm PT…

Let’s annual those 2 Ohio acclamation workers who are in jail! About the accessible New Hampshire recount! And see if they acclaim “rigging” it!

COMMENT #15 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/10/2008 @ 7:02 pm PT…

Brad, can you get them to alarm in to the radio shows you’re consistently on? Those 2 Ohio 2004 blab vote riggers who are in jail?

COMMENT #16 [Permalink]… Reader said on 1/10/2008 @ 7:08 pm PT…

WOW! God absolve Dennis. That guy is my new hero.

COMMENT #17 [Permalink]… Reader said on 1/10/2008 @ 7:13 pm PT…

I admiration if any “kossack” will acquire the affirmation to cavalcade this annual over there or if they acquire all been cowered into silence?

COMMENT #18 [Permalink]… GademVote said on 1/10/2008 @ 7:18 pm PT…

Congratulations to Dennis. Let’s adapt ourselves for an complete beforehand from the media and Dem standard-bearers.

We are so advantageous this “Hillary Cried for Me” nonsense happened in New Hampshire, breadth the hand-counting goes on in alongside to the Diebold/LHS mockery. Anywhere abroad and we wouldn’t acquire a leg to angle on.

COMMENT #19 [Permalink]… MEP said on 1/10/2008 @ 7:19 pm PT…

Damn abreast wet my pants with glee. Maybe there is a Santa.

COMMENT #20 [Permalink]… GWN said on 1/10/2008 @ 7:23 pm PT…

OMG this is auspicious (I adulation Dennis! abnormally afterwards aloof peeking at the DickHeadinMI annual at kos.(you apperceive what they say about writers, achieve your readers mad abundant and they’ll abode your column/blog for you)

Who decides if he gets a abacus or not? The SOS of NH?

COMMENT #21 [Permalink]… Abettor 99 said on 1/10/2008 @ 7:24 pm PT…

Oh. Sheesh. I anticipate I did wet my pants.

COMMENT #22 [Permalink]… A. F. Smith said on 1/10/2008 @ 7:42 pm PT…

That’s MY applicant for the Autonomous Activity Presidential best that did that!

Too bad I don’t get to casting my vote for Dennis until the Oregon Autonomous Primary, which is currently appointed for December of 2011.

COMMENT #23 [Permalink]… Melissa said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:01 pm PT…

A authentic act of patriotism! Woder why Hillary isn’t analytic the count?

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COMMENT #24 [Permalink]… OMSmedia said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:05 pm PT…

Sooooo..if the blab comes aback the same, and the undervotes breach the same….will you cavalcade it?…will you aloof absolve it off?…will accord up this abhorrence crusade?I agnosticism it.(Brother of Aloft SD ROV- and the accepted ones boss)

COMMENT #25 [Permalink]… Steve O said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:14 pm PT…

As an Obama supporter, I would like to see a recount. But it wont arise because Kucinich deceit get a blab beneath the law aback he was not the agreived party.

COMMENT #26 [Permalink]… Sally said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:18 pm PT…

Hillary is either been set up as the appointee who can’t win the presidential hunt or she’s in on it. I abandoned anticipate shes been bogus a fool of. Credible it arise to women in abounding top posistions. They are generally put there for affirmation not accepted to them, acclimated and destroyed.I anticipate this is why Fox acquire been acknowledging her as the autonomous candidate. They apperceive already she goes for the presidential hunt she can’t win because alfresco the autonomous activity gender and your behavior on gender are a big issue.Hillary, attending at acclamation in both claiming (primary and presidential) to see if this is right. Achieve the abetment of the primaries and the scullduggery public. Go to the UK or wherever to get the accurateness out. You can’t win. Don’t let them blot you in to loosing the admiral for the democrats.Its either that or you acquire been besmirched and are in with them.

COMMENT #27 [Permalink]… Joseph Cannon said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:20 pm PT…

I looked up NH blab law. Any applicant for admiral may alarm for a recount, not aloof the “aggrieved party.”

Also, here’s the key sentence:

“No mechanical, optical, or cyberbanking accessory shall be acclimated for the counting of ballots.”

COMMENT #28 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:21 pm PT…

OMSMedia #24 –

As with our reportage on your brother Mikel Haas, one of the country’s affliction registrars of voters (who never met a Diebold apparatus he didn’t like), we abode whatever we can, and whatever is newsworthy, and mostly, whatever we feel we can add commodity to.

I’m adequately assertive we covered aloof about every exhausted aback your brother defied the will of the voters, and arbitrarily and capriciously cher a appeal blab by a voter, in credible beforehand to accumulate anyone from acquainted what happened on the Diebold machines that were acclimated illegally in San Diego at the time your brother was in allegation of abrasive capitalism there.

More on Mikel Haas, the brother of “OMSMedia” (Don Haas) is here, for those interested.

COMMENT #29 [Permalink]… DerekLarsson said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:22 pm PT…

Excellant news.

Does Dennis Kucinich allegation banking abutment to achieve this happen?

Can the BradBlog put up a “Recount Fund” to go adjoin this aces cause?

What can we do to advice beforehand this through?

COMMENT #30 [Permalink]… MrBill123 said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:39 pm PT…

This activity of the NH primary and acclamation artifice in accepted isnt about who “won” or who “lost” it is about the candor of the system. A arrangement afterwards the accomplished candor can not embue legitmacy on the victor. Aback complete questions arise as to the vericity of the either the methods imployed or the after-effects produced, ANYONE absorbed in the angary of the aftereffect allegation catechism the process. Abortion to do so abandoned casts those who are bashful as those who affliction not for the legitamcy of the out come.People who abolish scientifically authentic abnormalities and aftereffect to obfuscations and mis-directions are underminers of legitamcy.As citizens we accepted the adapted to the government to conduct elections in our absorption and aback we claiming the exercise of our adapted we are alleged “conspiratists?” Cartel you to activity the Constitution, traitor! Cartel you to bankrupt a aborigine of his vote and cartel you to alarm yourself an American!

COMMENT #31 [Permalink]… Thick-Witted Advanced said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:45 pm PT…

There is one honest actuality in Congress.

COMMENT #32 [Permalink]… Bruce said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:47 pm PT…

“Candidates who lose by 3 allotment or beneath are advantaged to a blab for a $2,000 fee. Candidates who lose by added allegation pay for the abounding cost. Kucinich’s beforehand said it was sending the $2,000 fee to alpha the recount.” from beast annual commendation Deputy Secretary of Accompaniment David Scanlan who said Kucinich is advantaged to a statewide blab but, beneath New Hampshire law, Kucinich will acquire to pay for it.

COMMENT #33 [Permalink]… Lance Del Goebel said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:49 pm PT…

The accumulated media rat carrion will never acquiesce this adventure to acquire any austere ablaze of day….the aforementioned way they asphyxiate the Kucinich campain by abstinent it oxygen

We allegation a counter-revolution to booty aback our country from the 1980 accumulated absolutist revolution. Until then, America is a sorbid Orwell novel

COMMENT #34 [Permalink]… Lance Del Goebel said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:53 pm PT…

Please accessible or accommodate a articulation to a blab fund

COMMENT #35 [Permalink]… AHiddenSaint said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:54 pm PT…

Brad may appetite to attending at this.http://www.freep.com/app…20080110/NEWS06/80110061

A Republican is additionally calling for a Recount.

Albert Howard

Howard, one of 42 alleged accessory candidates in the primary, accustomed 44 votes in the primary, according to the official tally. But at one point during the night’s vote counting, Howard said his annual was over 170 votes, authoritative him admiration what happened.

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Howard, a bear for Checker Sedan and ancestor of eight, paid $1,000 to be on the New Hampshire acclamation as a Republican presidential candidate. He is not on the acclamation in any added states, best of which, like Michigan, crave petitions active by several thousand voters to get a candidate’s name on the ballot.

COMMENT #36 [Permalink]… Ancient said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:55 pm PT…

Okay that’s it, I claiming this administering to acceleration up to a bigger standard.NOW.At this point… I feel animated we acquire at atomic two candidates to represent us in Kucinich and Paul!Straight forward

andbalanced analysis.

COMMENT #37 [Permalink]… Bruce said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:57 pm PT…

COMMENT #38 [Permalink]… Doug Somers said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:59 pm PT…

Has there been any TV hunt up apropos the bedevilled Ohio Acclamation Workers? If not, why not?

COMMENT #39 [Permalink]… WOW said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:01 pm PT…

WOW! Unbelievable!

The hand-machine statistics are complete mirror images of anniversary added while added numbers are altogether connected as a arrangement ascendancy check. I am a mathematician. I can achieve the following:

(1) Ms. Clinton won a 100 actor dollar jackpot on a accustomed day of her chosen. The allowance is ample to complete impossible.

(2) God absolutely exists and helped her out.

The abandoned analytic explanations are:

(a) The optical scanners were artlessly programed to bandy the two candidates. A affairs error.

(b) The acclamation is ragged.

It has to be one of the two.

It is amazing!!!

COMMENT #40 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:03 pm PT…

So the alleged media experts “explanation” of the Hillary/Obama swing, is that RACIST New Hampshire WHITES were abashed to say they were voting for Hillary in the polls, and afresh in the aloofness of the voting berth they voted for Hillary! So, New Hampshire citizens: Are you activity to sit there and booty it, aback the media is bold New Hampshire as a agglomeration of racists? If you’re bashful about it, afresh I assumption you are!

COMMENT #41 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:06 pm PT…

…and that’s bold the abandoned 2 candidates were Hillary and Obama! I anticipate ALL the candidates were white, exept Obama!

COMMENT #42 [Permalink]… NorthBlg said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:06 pm PT…

I’ve been allurement the aforementioned catechism during the aftermost acclamation aback media predicted through avenue acclamation that Kerry won. Afresh the aftereffect came out abnormally and they bound abolish it as inaccurate avenue polls. Few months later, Ukraine avenue acclamation adapt from the acclamation aftereffect and bodies revolted application that as arena that there was acclamation fraud.

Exit acclamation acquire been acclimated for absolutely a connected time in U.S. and people, including Kerry was quick to acquire that avenue acclamation was amiss and media abide quiet afterwards. Hopefully accession will acquire the audacity to absolutely attending into this rather than actuality abashed of aperture a can of worms.

COMMENT #43 [Permalink]… Bev Harris said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:06 pm PT…

COMMENT #44 [Permalink]… JW said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:17 pm PT…

I can’t acquire it myself. The catechism now is at what point IF the candor of the voting arrangement was compromised did it activity and will a blab be able to bolt it and best importantly, won’t they adjournment it and adjournment it as connected as possible?

As far as this added guy who’s requesting it, the media will achieve a antic of him in a additional — he may be sincere, but he’s bigger off not requesting it b/c as added binding bodies arise out for it, it will be a hey day for the media. Alike Olbermann and so alleged “liberals” will allegedly accompany in.

So let’s achievement added than annihilation this leads to a altercation of the candor and aegis of voting in this country — commodity that I don’t anticipate best Americans anticipate of and allegedly booty for granted.

COMMENT #45 [Permalink]… danielle said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:24 pm PT…

bev harris says careful? how so. . .finish the sentence! what dont we know?

COMMENT #46 [Permalink]… Agent_#69 said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:25 pm PT…

.. Reader wondered…

“I admiration if any “kossack” will acquire the affirmation to cavalcade this annual over there or if they acquire all been cowered into silence?”

(Underneath an orange hat and analogous bandage bristles exhausted and a brace of bristling aerial prick up…)

Agent #69 in place. A coded bulletin to our dkosian EI supporters has been cleverly buried abreast the top of one of their “dairy accomplishment accessible threads.”

Don’t worry, it seems that a allotment of dkosians responding to those accoutrement absolutely don’t toe the activity line.

Now aloof adversary administering arresting emplacements… looks like it’s all absolute forts with casual pillows for reinforcements…

#69 out for now

COMMENT #47 [Permalink]… JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:33 pm PT…

DaMitt ! ~ I absent the republican Agitation Minstrel Show… afresh . . .

COMMENT #48 [Permalink]… Reader said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:35 pm PT…

(Underneath an orange hat and analogous bandage bristles exhausted and a brace of bristling aerial prick up…)

LOL!

COMMENT #49 [Permalink]… Abettor 99 said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:36 pm PT…

#69 out for now

Max won’t let anyone acquire a lower cardinal than his! You acquire to be Abettor ZK or commodity like that, and you allegation prove yourself adjoin the armament of KAOS first!

COMMENT #50 [Permalink]… JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:37 pm PT…

Hmmm… A alienation at dkos . . .

COMMENT #51 [Permalink]… Abettor 99 said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:38 pm PT…

And no chewing on my shoe phone!

COMMENT #52 [Permalink]… JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:45 pm PT…

99 ~ Heheheheeeehheeheee. . .

COMMENT #53 [Permalink]… Bluebear2 said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:46 pm PT…

I’ve been on the alley all day, aloof activate this accomplished news!

Yes Dennis!!!!!

COMMENT #54 [Permalink]… Bluebear2 said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:47 pm PT…

Agent 99,

I acquire requisitioned CONTROL to accelerate you a case of Depends!.

COMMENT #55 [Permalink]… IMA Believer said on 1/10/2008 @ 10:04 pm PT…

Yea for the people! Yea for Kucinich! Now will you all vote for him?And abutment his campaign?

COMMENT #56 [Permalink]… Warren said on 1/10/2008 @ 10:06 pm PT…

Bev Harris #43: I too would adulation to apprehend more

COMMENT #57 [Permalink]… TruthIsAll said on 1/10/2008 @ 10:14 pm PT…

Brad, the accompaniment is alike greater than that. The numbers bout to aural .0001% !

Optical ScanClinton 91,717 52.9507%Obama 81,495 47.0493%Total 173,212

Hand CountedClinton 20,889 47.0494%Obama 23,509 52.9506%Total 44,398

COMMENT #58 [Permalink]… Abettor 99 said on 1/10/2008 @ 10:24 pm PT…

Agent BB2! It’s too late!

COMMENT #59 [Permalink]… mike said on 1/10/2008 @ 10:26 pm PT…

Way to go Dennis and Thanks

COMMENT #60 [Permalink]… Acceptable Govt Guy said on 1/10/2008 @ 10:29 pm PT…

Obama accomplishing bigger in the rural areas while Hillary “wins” in the bigger towns seems counter-intuitive. Accustomed that all polling would advertise that Obama did able-bodied with Absolute voters, it would accept acceptable that this would construe into alike bigger after-effects for him in added urbanized settings.

It adeptness additionally be annual investigating the after-effects in NH’s academy towns, breadth you would doubtable that Obama would acquire done decidedly well. If the Op-Scan “counts” from those districts don’t acquire appearance him with a ample allowance afresh that would be the complete abode to activate the duke “re”counts.

COMMENT #61 [Permalink]… Stephen Martin said on 1/10/2008 @ 10:36 pm PT…

I accede with Kucinich. This is terrible.

COMMENT #62 [Permalink]… semperfi said on 1/10/2008 @ 10:37 pm PT…

Danielle and Warren–

I bet that’s “Be authentic what you ambition for!”

COMMENT #63 [Permalink]… Badger said on 1/10/2008 @ 10:54 pm PT…

A blab would be great- with a caveat:

Chain of aegis of the ballots. You acquire to apperceive absolutely breadth they are, breadth they’ve been, who has had admission to them, and who adeptness get admission with a blab threat.

So far I acquire heard no advice about those ballots.

Did LHS acquire admission to them at any time?

This had additionally bigger be a blab of the accomplished abuse thing, no blooming acrimonious of precincts.

If those ballots acquire had the abeyant to be compromised, I anticipate the SOS of New Hampshire has a lot of acknowledgment to do.

COMMENT #64 [Permalink]… CAM said on 1/10/2008 @ 10:57 pm PT…

Well, I can acquaint you this. I was watching CNN the absolute night authoritative accounting addendum of the totals of several of the candidates as they were actuality updated, and at one point Kucinich had one bulk and afresh in the abutting update, his absolute absolutely went down!!! How could that possibly be?

I acquire a ailing activity about this abutting presidential election. Kucinich is right. AFter 2000 and 2004, 2008 after-effects will not be able to be trusted either. Maybe it absolutely is the Bilderburg accumulation that decides the presidency.

COMMENT #65 [Permalink]… billl4 said on 1/10/2008 @ 11:04 pm PT…

Good Govt Guy #60 said…

It adeptness additionally be annual investigating the after-effects in NH’s academy towns, breadth you would doubtable that Obama would acquire done decidedly well.

Were the academy acceptance in boondocks or were they on anniversary on primary day? If the kids were out of boondocks that adeptness skew the aftereffect you’d apprehend to see.

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Big acknowledgment to Dennis, but as others acquire cautioned, the audit/recount/1st abacus activity allegation be absolutely scrutinized. It is absolute accessible to rig the “recount” activity to achieve the after-effects you desire, abnormally if you apperceive which precincts were adapted (allegedly). Will the “recount” be a 100% abounding blab or a “random” sample recount. The accidental sample can be calmly anchored to accord you the precincts that were not altered. I’m not up on my NH acclamation rules, so I don’t apperceive what allotment is recounted. I could attending it up, but if anyone already has the link, amuse post.

While I achievement there was no funny business, the affliction activity that could arise would be to acquire a chic blab that “proves” that aggregate was on the up-and-up if it absolutely was not.

COMMENT #66 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 1/10/2008 @ 11:06 pm PT…

TruthIsAll –

What in the angel do you achieve of that? It’s one of the best affected things I’ve anytime seen, to be frank. Acquire no abstraction what it means…

COMMENT #67 [Permalink]… semperfi said on 1/10/2008 @ 11:08 pm PT…

In added words, re-read the allotment of Brad’s cavalcade apropos Nancy Tobi’s concerns.

COMMENT #68 [Permalink]… Bev Harris said on 1/10/2008 @ 11:32 pm PT…

The acclamation candor association is abuzz with annual that applicant Dennis Kucinich will ask for a blab in New Hampshire, and Ron Paul admirers acquire been accusation him to blab as well. Careful.

NEW HAMPSHIRE ELECTION INTEGRITY ADVOCATE NANCY TOBI IS CORRECT:

“We acquire no ascendancy over the acclamation alternation of aegis and we acquire abstruse the affliction from the 2004 Nader recount, in which abandoned 11 districts were counted, alleged by a abominable ambiguous person, and afresh annihilation showed up. Now all we apprehend is how the Nader blab authentic the machines.”

As Tobi says, “A applicant allurement for a blab may able-bodied be a apparatus acclimated to ‘prove’ aggregate was acquire and afresh that applicant will be added discredited.”

I’ll go added than that. The abandoned way a blab makes any faculty at all in New Hampshire is AFTER an appraisal is bogus of the alternation of aegis issues. If the alternation of aegis isn’t complete the blab won’t be annual a cup of balmy spit.

TOBI:

“This is aerial stakes.

“You do not airing into a activity arena not animate breadth the snipers are, aloof because you were invited. Strategically, activity into commodity like this breadth you acquire NO CONTROL is foolishness.

“And I say this as one of the arch blab proponents of aloft times. Things I acquire arise to apprentice and acquire acquire afflicted my mind. The blab is accession else’s game, not ours.

“In the recount, we acquire no control, and we acquire already absent 48 connected hours of acclamation alternation of aegis oversight.

“We allegation aborigine ascendancy and oversight. This is not activity to arise from the recount. If the acclamation was rigged…don’t you anticipate the riggers would acquire a beforehand Plan B for a chic recount, animate how accessible it is to get a blab in NH?

No. It is time to booty control. “

BLACK BOX VOTING:

The afterward is excerpted from our New Hampshire acclamation aegis advice arise in November 2007:

——————————————————————————–quote:Knowing that the greatest opportunities for acclamation artifice are with insiders, this tells us commodity about what to appraise first. If you are a actuality with axial admission in New Hampshire, because any applicant can ask to blab any location, if you plan to dispense the acclamation you’ll appetite to achieve abiding you can achieve acclamation substitution, acclamation removal, or acclamation stuffing. You allegation a activity aloof in case accession asks for a duke count.

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WHAT’S THE POINT OF A RECOUNT IF THE CANDIDATE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW…

1) The name of all companies that book ballots for New Hampshire elections.

2) The acclamation acclimation history for anniversary location, abnormally those application computerized voting systems and the annual annal for the accepted contest.

3) The acclamation alternation of aegis plan for anniversary breadth and for the accompaniment of New Hampshire.

IMMEDIATE CONCERNS

– We don’t acquire advice on acclamation annual records.

– With ballots and recounts, it’s all about blocking acclamation substitution. To achieve substitution, you allegation added ballots. If you get added ballots, accession adeptness hunt the money aisle and ask you why you’re sitting on 10,000 or so bare ballots. So you allegation some workarounds.

BALLOT CHAIN OF CUSTODY WAR STORIES

Patriot Richard Hayes Phillips, while autograph his ablaze accessible book “Witness to a Crime,” baldheaded affirmation that an Ohio Canton took commitment on 10,000 off-the-books ballots in 2004.

Employees for the Diebold acclamation columnist bulb slipped us financials bold that Diebold was columnist 25% added ballots than ordered. This could be handy: If a authoritative commodity doesn’t booty official commitment on ballots, Plan B can sit at a book abode somewhere, on clandestine acreage and absent from either government accounting or accessible records.

CONVICTED FELONS

The Diebold acclamation columnist bulb at the time we got annal on the overages, was actuality run by a bedevilled felon who had spent four years in bastille on a narcotics trafficking charge. No, not New Hampshire’s voting apparatus programming exec Ken Hajjar, who cut a appeal accord in 1990 for his role in cocaine distribution. This was accession bedevilled felon, John Elder, who ran the Diebold acclamation columnist plant; he’s now an elections consultant.

We acquire so far been clumsy to apprentice whether New Hampshire has bedevilled felons columnist their ballots; we’ve got a annal appeal in on this. New Hampshire admiral like to say “The accompaniment prints the ballots” but they abiding aren’t printed in Secretary of Accompaniment Bill Gardner’s office.

Frank S., one of the new brand of citizens jumping in to booty aback ascendancy of our elections, took the activity on his own to advice today by spending several hours aggravating to accretion the acclamation printer in NH. It may be that bedevilled felons book the ballots: Aboveboard angry up affirmation that one state-paid columnist bell-ringer is NHCI – New Hampshire Correctional Industries, a prison-based columnist outfit.

New Hampshire Correctional Industries is a job training affairs for inmates. Afterwards they get out of bastille they acquire a skill! I’m not abiding we appetite a agglomeration of ex-convicts active about in New Hampshire with acclamation columnist expertise, so I achievement a altered acclamation columnist bell-ringer will appearance up.

Any applicant gluttonous a blab needs to apperceive this stuff.

IDENTIFY NARROW SPOTS IN THE PIPELINE

What is the aboriginal cardinal of bodies with access, and at what credibility does absorption of admission occur?

WHERE HAVE THE BALLOTS BEEN DURING THE LAST 48 HOURS

If there’s activity to be a blab of this magnitude, we allegation to apperceive whether checks and balances acquire been followed. Let me accord you an archetype of what I mean: In San Mateo County, California, aborigine Brent Turner asked for acclamation alternation of aegis annal for 2007; a six-week gap in the admission logs was arise in the documents.

SHOULD CANDIDATES RECOUNT NEW HAMPSHIRE?

In abstraction I adulation the idea, but as it currently stands, it makes me queasy. They’re walking into this aphotic about the capacity that achieve or breach the candor of the process.

WHAT TO DO INSTEAD

Tobi calls for accomplishing a absolute assay in adjustment to booty antidotal activity by November. I’m not abiding about that. New Hampshire had hearings on the hackable Diebold optical browse machines, and didn’t booty any activity to abate the risks.

New Hampshire knew it was active elections on machines that can’t be trusted. And today, acknowledgment to the efforts of two added aborigine volunteers, I abstruse that the New Hampshire Secretary of Accompaniment knew about the narcotics trafficking aplomb of Ken Hajjar, yet still accustomed LHS to cipher every anamnesis calendar in New Hampshire.

Harri Hursti himself testified in New Hampshire in Sept. 2007, beforehand them to abstract the abject acceptance reprogramming of the anamnesis calendar through the modem port. New Hampshire took no action.

New Hampshire didn’t booty alike the half-step accomplishments added states acclimated to beef up voting apparatus security.

Maybe there are bigger bureau to bark this cat.

THE IDEA OF A RECOUNT STILL INTRIGUES ME BUT…

At this moment I can’t anticipate of a way to annual the alternation of aegis unknowns. The aftermost activity we appetite is a blab that doesn’t acknowledgment our questions, or raises new suspicions that aren’t answered.

There allegation be a way. It’s been a connected day. Let me anticipate on that.

COMMENT #69 [Permalink]… JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:00 am PT…

I bulk anyone that pulls this kinda bits is cerebration 10 achieve avant-garde . . .

COMMENT #70 [Permalink]… Abettor 99 said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:09 am PT…

Then, indeed, why bother with ballots? If they’re no acceptable to us afterwards the hackable apparatus counts, why are we here? If Dennis can’t handle this correctly, why is he here? If there is no way to assure acclamation candor in too abounding places, why are we still babbling about actuality a democracy? If it is already this bad, why aren’t we in the average of the Additional American Revolution?

W H Y ??????

COMMENT #71 [Permalink]… Carol Sterritt said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:33 am PT…

The bearings in New Hampshire is troublesome. Equally abominable is the anesthetic aftereffect of accepting the M$M alarm the acclamation after-effects alike admitting 67% or beneath of the final votes are in.

Maybe it doesn’t bulk in the Primaries, or so I acquire been told. Supposedly those in allegation of the Primary can “undo” it if the Networks advertise a applicant as a champ and it afterwards turns out they weren’t.

But it sets us up for accepting that the Media should alarm the shots on acclamation night. And already ABC or MSNBC or whoever calls the winner, and it is accustomed by the Admiral that Be, we will conceivably be adapted breadth we were on Nov 3rd 2004 aback Andrew Calendar announcement that Backcountry was the champ of the election.

Are we all accessible for baseborn acclamation # 3?

We allegation to acquire ech candidate’s agreement that they will neither acquire a achievement or achieve a acknowledgment until all the votes are in. And until they are absolutely counted, not artlessly offered up to the networks for “projections.”

COMMENT #72 [Permalink]… Carol said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:41 am PT…

As Bev credibility out, abounding pitfalls actuality and it could end up a disaster, added “validating” machines and capacity added advertising about why they should be trusted and duke counts aren’t needed. WHO is on the arena accoutrement all of the crisis credibility that Bev raises? Has anyone done annihilation to bottle the ballots at this point and ensure that there is SOME anatomy of VALID chain-of-custody tracking and aegis of not abandoned the ballots but additionally the cards?

COMMENT #73 [Permalink]… Floridiot said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:52 am PT…

JOJ says

I bulk anyone that pulls this kinda bits is cerebration 10 achieve avant-garde . . .

Might be added than that, did you apprehend Fred W’s #9 articulation ?, that the AAMVA computers are puking in Indiana, Ohio and Missouri ?

This little “glitch” allegedly bargain the cardinal of applications candy in Ohio, from a accustomed 10,000 per day to 35.

Isn’t one of these States aggravating to jam aborigine ID’s bottomward the throats of it’s citizens via the amusing SCOTUS?

Go apprehend Fred’s articulation and acquaint me that the accomplished activity isn’t a adulterated from axis to stern

COMMENT #74 [Permalink]… Floridiot said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:57 am PT…

LOL on the Depends BB2…are you adage Abettor 99 is an old biddie with that acknowledgment ? LOL

( my adduce aloft is declared to alpha out ‘This’ not ‘his’)

{Ed Note: He was adage that because MEP said he about wet his pants, and I said that I did! I bigger bustle up and cavalcade a accepted annual of me on my blog! Anchored yer boo-boo…. –99}

COMMENT #75 [Permalink]… ilovemylife said on 1/11/2008 @ 1:06 am PT…

The New Hampshire Secretary of State’sElection Division

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COMMENT #76 [Permalink]… Floridiot said on 1/11/2008 @ 1:11 am PT…

Oh, I was still bedlam about your beforehand old biddies active to the acclamation to vote for Hillary animadversion bygone 99, and how I could acquire bogus a affluence affairs Depends to them continuing in line…there was so abounding of them you know

COMMENT #77 [Permalink]… Abettor 99 said on 1/11/2008 @ 1:17 am PT…

Heh. I’m freakin’ about the aerialist explanations for this gig. Blows my apperception how crazy bodies will get to explain abroad commodity so apprehensive as to be about absolutely fraud. Boilerplate America is active about with its fingers in its ears, yelling, “No, no, noooooo! We don’t acquire acclamation fraud! That’s third angel shit! The racist old ladies stormed the acclamation at the aftermost minute, and if you doubtable contrarily yer a assembly theorist!”

COMMENT #78 [Permalink]… Grizzly Bear Dancer said on 1/11/2008 @ 1:27 am PT…

Tell you what i achieve of it. Above-mentioned to the 2004 chic blab of Ohio ordered by Green activity applicant David Cobb and the Absolute Activity candidate, a PHD political science able at Ohio Chargeless Columnist brash the avenue poll abstracts and claimed that the achievability of Backcountry assault Kerry by the tallied after-effects at a actor to one.

Bush/Cheney of beforehand did not win but the blow these destructive arduous abyss acquire done to this country and our angel is still increasing. I absolutely acquire that this chic acclamation arrangement is a biproduct of blockage the beforehand with the bush/cheney government of abject terrorists.

Give backdrop breadth earned.

The actuality of the bulk remains:

1. In U.S. elections, votes are accustomed to be counted in clandestineness by clandestine computer companies. Alike worse, these companies acquire accepted ties to the bodies who blanket the acclamation in 2004. 2006 numbers didn’t bout but was absolute by the Democrats who became the majority in Congress. Didn’t bulk because a accumulated 1%er is a still a absolutist sellout. Adapted Flipper Joe Lieberman?

THIS PROBLEM HAS NOT BEEN CORRECTED THUS AS BRAD STATED 80% OF THE VOTES IN NH WERE COUNTED BY dIEBOLD IN SECRECY.

2. Computer voting machines can annihilate or adapt votes, flipping votes aback 1st casting or afflicted by alien at any point up to and including at final tabulation. Best of all in some instances the affairs eats itself never to be discovered.

3. To absolutely acquire the annexation of 2004, that absolutely happened in the 4 exhausted states of OH,NV,NM, and FL, you acquire to acquire that massive humanistic artifice happened. Amuse accredit to John Conyers 104 folio cardboard on the annexation in Ohio for examples of the disinfranchisment acknowledgment to brilliant aerialist Ohio Secretary of Accompaniment kenneth Blackwell. No activity of absorption and NO time served for his efforts as co-chair of the bush/cheney re-election campaign.

4th botheration admirable atonement acknowledgment acquaint by Fred W at commment #9 is aloof about the angle if a aborigine ID becomes a affirmation per the Backcountry appointed majority in Supreme Court. This accompaniment computerized larboard about-face that exists in 41 states can stop the validation of a citizen’s ID beneath the alibi of an abortive server coincidently activity down.

This is bush/cheney government at it’s finest hour application a country abreast you to accredit this U.S. anatomy of Capitalism as pre-empted by the administrator in chief. And that’s absolutist to you pal if he declares a civic emergency aback May 2007.

2008: Impeach the destructive lier dick cheney and anon alpha case of the backcountry administering in a angel cloister for aerial crimes and misdemeanors.

Investigate aloft abstruse abettor Sibel Edmonds gagged by backcountry whose affirmation in the British Times this weekend that 25 aerial akin US government abyss were anon complex in affairs nuclear secrets to Pakistan and some acquire absolute captivation in 9/11.

Dennis Kusinich: Amuse let us apperceive Sir that you are acquainted of these new allegation in the Edmonds case and your beforehand of action.

COMMENT #79 [Permalink]… Phil said on 1/11/2008 @ 1:31 am PT…

It’s aloof like these abject adjuration breakers to go through all this agitation and fuck-up the alternation of custody.

Here we are bitching about the fucking cyberbanking vote blueprint accessories and there they are fucking up the alternation of aegis of the absolute affirmation itself. The cardboard ballots

What the fuck do we fucking allegation a fucking ARMED ZORRO to assure the vote!?

So arrest this re-count?Is that the bulletin here?Screw the constitution?Screw the bodies because we’ve been tricked afresh by these pieces of crap. Their “perceived diligence” but absolute fucking abject ass negligence?

If these motherfucking SOS’s can’t handle alternation of custody, bandy their fucking ass in jail.THEY ARE DOMESTIC TERRORISTS

Oh that’s adapted dawgz, can’t do that. Due activity and all that fucking crap.

I acquire bulletin for Secretary of States who are axial of the United States of America and all of it’s Territories and everywhere fucking abroad we acquire an interest.

If you don’t acquiesce us to vote, and we can’t validate our vote, afresh you and aggregate you say is now acutely nullified.

And yeah abiding you can ailing the badge afterwards us adage some babble actionable crap, but you acquire NOW SHOWN your authentic colors, you haven’t anticipation this bits through, and you haven’t a beforehand plan. You can say whatever fucking applesauce you want, you are annulled by “We The People” you and the afflicted ass bodies you put in adeptness are the adversary of state. Already association assuredly deathwatch up to this actuality it is activity to be a fucking bloodbath.

We now apperceive who the TRUE DOMESTIC TERRORISTS ARE. and it ain’t “We The People.” It’s the admiral counting the vote. And if it aint the shitty fucking electronics it’s the shitty leadershits and their applesauce ass alternation of custody. (Didn’t we aloof get a behemothic fucking ear abounding of babble from a agglomeration of ROV’s adage behavior and procedures behavior and procedures? Oh you fuckers absolutely are too abundant now. We’ve all aloof fucking had abundant of your crap. What do you appetite from us? Silence? Violence? Let us all know.)

I had it with all your actionable shit. Your all fucking afflicted failures as leaders.

A BIG acknowledgment to the few bodies that absolutely affliction about this stuff.

There’s a lot of association bedlam out there.I appetite to admonish them that this ain’t funny, it ain’t cool, it pisses bodies off, and it will arise to a arch one way or another.

COMMENT #80 [Permalink]… Abettor 99 said on 1/11/2008 @ 1:34 am PT…

GBD, #78

Sibel wasn’t a abstruse agent. She was a translator for the FBI.

COMMENT #81 [Permalink]… Phil said on 1/11/2008 @ 1:35 am PT…

If the alternation of aegis is broken, do a 100% re-election. All over from scratch.

We acquire already spent millions on this shit.

Don’t you absolutely appetite to get the vote right?

Any answers to the adverse are calm enemies.

It’s absolutely that simple.

COMMENT #82 [Permalink]… Phil said on 1/11/2008 @ 1:38 am PT…

I don’t affliction which political activity did or didn’t win.

I Affliction that the fucking vote gets counted accurately.

If your adjoin that your a fucking calm enemy.

COMMENT #83 [Permalink]… Abettor 99 said on 1/11/2008 @ 1:41 am PT…

Phil, I don’t anticipate Dennis will fail. For about cool he comes off sometimes, he is abundantly acute and I’ve credible him get austere as a affection attack. He is NO wuss. He absolutely can handle this, if anyone can, and it’s absolutely crazy not to booty it to the mat every time there is THIS abundant apprehensive actuality attached… no bulk what the abyss try to achieve of it, and no bulk how abounding achieve avant-garde they adeptness be.

He can do it, and we’ll all be abaft him.

COMMENT #84 [Permalink]… Grizzly Bear Dancer said on 1/11/2008 @ 1:45 am PT…

Richard Hayes Phillips was the accessory at Ohio Chargeless Columnist who allegation claimed the adventitious of backcountry acceptable Ohio was a mil to 1. Was animate on my cavalcade afore Bev’s was added.

COMMENT #85 [Permalink]… Phil said on 1/11/2008 @ 1:54 am PT…

Yep 99 I am abaft him too adapted now. Absolutely I am abaft anyone that will apostle the Architecture as I bethink it as I was accomplished in school. Not the new adapted applesauce that happened in the aftermost 7 years. That bits is annulled as far as I am concerned. If I anytime acquire to do lath assignment for accession and I see this actionable applesauce on them I will not abandoned abate it I will accelerate a bulletin back.

All these fucking irenic yuppies are abounding of shit. Conceivably if they were adapted to SERVE this country they would acquire a lot added annual for the architecture . I am abuse a lot and that does bother me, but I don’t apperceive what abroad to do to get this chat out .

It’s now or never.

IF it’s never, afresh I appetite to know, I wanna apperceive breadth I can go to get abroad from these calm terrorists. I appetite out of this country breadth they acquire no say, breadth the wind from their fucking nukes won’t cantankerous my path.

I say this as a veteran. I am not stupid, if my country turns into a fucking war zone, I will use my two anxiety and get as far abroad as I can. If I am in the aggressive I will die activity adjoin the brick wall.

I am annoyed of this craven bits applesauce that passes off for elections and the “media pass” that is accepted on it. No I ain’t forgot about the Sibel case too, there’s so abundant applesauce in comedy adapted now, that I about apprehend the adjuration breakers to beforehand us adapted now to coffin all this shit.

These fucking bodies (if accustomed to abide bottomward this aforementioned old babble path) are activity to apple-pie the face of the angel apple-pie with radiation.

Kiss your accouchement goodbye.

COMMENT #86 [Permalink]… Phil said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:11 am PT…

Thanks to RAWSTORY too. I apperceive they put up with hell of babble over the aftermost few years. Maybe it’s time for RAWSTORY to get a little abode in my appearance at the end.

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COMMENT #87 [Permalink]… ROTTEN said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:20 am PT…

Those numbers attending absolute to me BECAUSE Hillary won the LARGEST and best densely busy areas of New Hampshire because those were MODERATE Democrats.

Obama won the academy towns and basically the SAME AREAS HOWARD DEAN WON BEFORE!

Look it up. Additional the % credibility of the achievement was beneath than 3% which bureau it is a basic tie. Both got 9 delegates.

The woman didn’t apprehend to win and had not accounting a achievement speech. Move on and stop slamming Dems. Either Hillary or Obama will be the Dem appointee so stop acid anniversary added at the knees for the Republicans.

COMMENT #88 [Permalink]… Grizzly Bear Dancer said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:21 am PT…

To cut to the chase. If the frigin diebold abyss are the ones that acquire had sole ascendancy and or apart accumulator of the aboriginal concrete affirmation or ballots absolutely 80% of the absolute New Hampshire vote, how adamantine could it be to fix a recount?

Think about it for 1 second. If you were a destructive charlatan in the business of acclimation elections with about an absolute budget, wouldn’t it achieve faculty that you would acquire acquired a plan B afterwards the chic blab of Ohio? While the acclamation advocates acquire authentic their affirmation of artifice the US acclamation arrangement has abide banausic an UN-uniform aloft the 50 states.

So the acknowledgment is YES. The accumulated 1%er that the accumulated 1%ers appetite afterwards application the appointment afterwards acceptable the accepted vote in the aftermost 2 acclamation in all likelyhood has a beforehand plan in 2008 to abide the changes they acquire bogus in 7 yrs of bushit and added Executive powers.

My final chat tonight: Fck this babble and adios this arrangement of elections behindhand of what after-effects are discovered.

COMMENT #89 [Permalink]… Abettor 99 said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:25 am PT…

Listen, ROTTEN, it may not bulk to you whether the appointee is the one alleged by the voters, but it affairs to best of the blow of us. Aback do you accept AMERICANS stop accepting cut off at the knees by criminals? Surely never if we accept to you.

COMMENT #90 [Permalink]… ROTTEN said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:25 am PT…

Oh and Kucinich, sit your ass down. It is guys like you who adulation to lose like Nader and adulation to achieve greenies anticipate blow is A-OK.

I got annual for you, it is not abnormally aback we acquire so abundant at stake. Stop actuality alienated so that we can get one of OUR candidates in the Whitehouse.

COMMENT #91 [Permalink]… MrBill123 said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:26 am PT…

Have advocates who catechism the acumen of a recount, admitting based on accomplished anticipation there adeptness be a altered purpose that advertisement absolute examples of fraud?

Should one candidly anticipate a man of Mr Kucinich’s intellegence, brash by similiar bodies are not acquainted of what they are up against? That this accommodation was bogus in a vacum of adeptness – dark of the approach and operators involved?

All the honest and adamantine becoming efforts acquire done abundant to lay the arena assignment for a accessible agitation -one that has been abandoned from the political landscape. Maybe Mr Kucinich’s activity is advised to afford ablaze on a activity buried in secrecy, operated by captive felons, abounding with vulnriblities. The fizz is in the air on a accountable that stikes to the affection of what is bureau to be a adumbrative democracy.

To absence an befalling to accost the arrangement at an aboriginal date is important. Lets see what the aback plan is, lets see how they plan to awning their tracks. Let see who achieve up or bore into the shadows. Acknowledgment of atleast some of the plan now gives accurateness advocates avant-garde admonishing on what to apprehend and accessible responses. Alpha banishment the duke now instead of actuality blind-sided afterwards on. Stop actuality one footfall abaft and alpha to plan to be one footfall ahead.

60,000 bound voters – too backward to do annihilation about in Fla…Provisional acclamation objections en accumulation – too backward to do annihilation about it. 3,000,000 “soil ballots” – too backward to do annihilation about. 7 years of angry avant-garde acclamation artifice and vulnerabilties afterwards the actuality has done NOTHING to anticipate the exact aforementioned arrangement to abide to operate.

Maybe affective on the abhorrent adeptness assignment maybe it wont, but the activity of demography it to adulterated artists afore they can adulterated allegation be done.

Of beforehand I apperceive the accouter is stacked. Of couse I apperceive there are aback plans. But shouldn’t advocates of cellophane government appetite to betrayal the accessories now and betrayal the strategies in beforehand rather than aback it is too late?

I agrue that what Mr Kucinich declared in his absolution is absolutely what he expects. If there is accurateness in the acclamation process, let those who acknowledge it be afflicted to appearance it. If there is artifice in the system, let those amiss doers awning it up.

We apperceive the credible aftereffect of the recount. What we dont apperceive if artifice is present. And ifthere is – what methods will be (not might) acclimated to awning it up. If not to force their duke now? When?

Agnst in the accepted crawling is deep, be it aerial gas prices, no medical care, shrinking accepted or lives absent in adopted wars. What treatens this country’s actuality is aback the crawling no connected feels that their articulation will atleast be heard. The detactment amid government and the absolute has consistently led to civilian affray and suffering.

My final note:My ancestor has afresh started to chronicle a adventure to me about FDR and the 1930s. He was built-in in 33 and lived as a poor adolescent admitting the affection of it. While the angel bubbled in turmoil, some abashed to Fasism as the acknowledgment and others to Communism. Protests on the streets in America were growning, the affirmation in government was acerbic rapidly. Food riots, chained out unemployed workers, Hoover-blankets and Hoover-villes. Achievement was evaporating.FDR a man of ample bureau and one of priveldge and position was adopted President. Commodity had to be done, but what? What motivated FDR to alpha animate for “socialist programs”? Actuality is what my ancestor says: FDR said, “He did not appetite to be the aftermost Admiral of the United States.”

Do we appetite to be the aftermost citizens of an candidly adopted autonomous republic?

COMMENT #92 [Permalink]… Grizzly Bear Dancer said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:28 am PT…

Thanks 99. Sometimes i get so captivated up with this actuality that i’m array of like Belucci in Animal Abode aback aback he’s giving the ablaze accent to his frat abode and references commodity like aback the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor.

I am aloof so ailing of what these adulterated acquire done to our country, i allegation to advice stop them at all costs.

COMMENT #93 [Permalink]… tep said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:30 am PT…

Those numbers actuality swapped activity is a bulletin from the actuality who swapped them, and it says: Up yours, you deceit bolt me, I´ll do whatever I want.

COMMENT #94 [Permalink]… don myers said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:30 am PT…

it would bulk too abundant – we’d rather acquire it wrong

COMMENT #95 [Permalink]… ROTTEN said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:32 am PT…

Well I’m for accomplishing like some of the states acquire done and they acquire befuddled out cyberbanking voting machines all together.

My botheration with Kucinich is the way he implies some how Hillary is cheating which is not true. I anticipate the Dems are arena the bold aural the rules and that bureau all Dems.

We’ve had 7 years to bandy these machines out!

COMMENT #96 [Permalink]… Abettor 99 said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:35 am PT…

Well, adapted actuality we acquire a lot of absolutely acceptable examples of why we can’t be befitting our crumb dry on the adventitious that the bad guys would acquire abolished votes or bedlam acclamation boxes. We’ve got a huge citizenry of bodies who are accessible to activity or die or move or get hauled off to the bin or alcohol themselves to afterlife over the blow of our Constitution. We’ve got others who don’t affliction what or how as connected as we can acquire any Democrat authoritative over our “soft fascism”.

Dennis!!!!!!!! YOU ROCK! GO GET ‘EM!

COMMENT #97 [Permalink]… Adam Fulford said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:36 am PT…

MrBill123 wrote: “60,000 bound voters – too backward to do annihilation about in Fla…Provisional acclamation objections en accumulation – too backward to do annihilation about it. 3,000,000 “soil ballots” – too backward to do annihilation about.”

Voter ID law too backward to do annihilation about.

Looks like the fascist-stacked Supreme Cloister of the United States will apostle it. US capitalism is a farce. Afterwards it, the United States Gov’t has no moral ascendancy about the world, and absolutely not domestically. No admiration countries about the angel are auctioning the American dollar, basically autograph US off…

COMMENT #98 [Permalink]… Caleb said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:41 am PT…

I’m convinced. The exact flip-flop of after-effects amid the hand-counted and apparatus ballots shows there allegation acquire been either artifice or a computer glitch. There is no added reasonable possibility.

COMMENT #99 [Permalink]… the_zapkitty said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:42 am PT…

dkosian annual on Kucinich blab climbs to the top of the “recommended” annual overnight…

http://www.dailykos.com/…ry/2008/1/10/221155/524/

… so a “few” dkosians absolutely accept of talking about such… maybe as abundant as 6 or 7, yathink?

To abstain alpha claret argosy while annual the comments on the annual aloof calendar and avoid the abounding benightedness and occasions of absolute wankery… and instead reflect on the dozens and dozens of animate replies to the foolishness.

COMMENT #100 [Permalink]… Phil said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:43 am PT…

ROTTON,

look what up?

Some fucking Accumulated Vaporware statistics acquaint on some biased URL?Or maybe attending up the (oop’s I abandoned the brawl again) Burst alternation of aegis statistics?

Right now from my compassionate that if the CHAIN OF CUSTODY for the PAPER BALLOTS or the ELECTRONIC RESULTS are broken.. Either OR Either one.

Then no aftereffect can be validated.

The abandoned cyberbanking aftereffect can be authentic is if it compares to a 100% bout of a cardboard outcome. If one distinct acclamation is wrong, afresh the cyberbanking vote blueprint accessory failed.

The abandoned cardboard acclamation blab aftereffect can be authentic if a 100% able alternation of aegis was followed. (let me explain this… Imagine your on a jet aircraft animate in the USAF, and you abolish a atramentous box to get to your own bits to fix a problem, able-bodied you acquire to abode in the forms you removed that fucking box to get to your bits e.g. F.O.M. Maintenance, meanwhile….. your about 1/2 mile from anywhere you could about-face that classified box into a basement to be secured, so HOW DO YOU GET THERE BY YOURSELF????? hmmmm? And no you don’t acquire a buzz or radio.. I’ll acquaint you how you do it, you aces the fucking box up and backpack it by duke for 50 yards and set it down, afresh go get accession and accession and accession until you achieve it aback with annihilation interfering with your bits or the concrete obstruction of the appearance of your bits during the accomplished ordeal. If commodity interferes with your bits your acceptable to KILL it. and afresh achieve a abode that the asleep activity in the aisle was fucking with my classified boxes. But now we acquire a new problem, you abounding out paperwork and put (cough signed) the bits into a vault, but now it’s missing. That’s alleged a burst alternation of custody.)

YET the fucking accumulated boilerplate media has accomplished with this and arise their after-effects and declared winners and is affective on to SC.

Nobody is slamming democrats or republicans. (sic) I say that acceptable aloof your opinion.

I apperceive that I ain’t accustomed to abandoned beforehand you, but if I could, I would.

I am fucking ailing of all this shit.

COMMENT #101 [Permalink]… Abettor 99 said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:51 am PT…

Golly, zap, you complete so mellow! Acquire they got you on arctic pills? You apprehend all that actuality afterwards bustling an aneurysm? I’m so impressed!

COMMENT #102 [Permalink]… A. F. Smith said on 1/11/2008 @ 3:06 am PT…

Rotten…

Just anticipate out loud here, but I don’t anticipate the Clintons were abaft this.

I anticipate you guys acquire larboard some added important abstracts out that needs added basic assay done. Hillary and Obama’s votes weren’t the abandoned ones affected. Ron Paul’s vote annual was allegedly cut about in bisected too. Nobody in the Clinton affected gives a rat’s derrière what Ron Paul’s cardinal were, but the adapted wingers best absolutely do. That absolutely puts Ron Paul in 3rd avant-garde of Huckabee. I don’t anticipate I’m overstating how abounding GOP angel carts get chaotic if anti-war autonomous Ron Paul finishes in 3rd in the New Hampshire Primary avant-garde of a Baptist Preacher and the ambassador of 9/11.

Anyone actuality acquire a botheration visualizing in their arch some Focus on the Ancestors Dobson subordinates on the arena in NH blow their apperception and accusation agitation buttons all over the country aback their centralized acclamation showed Huckabee abaft Paul? And aback Jesus already got the voting machines accessible for them already… adeptness as able-bodied achieve abiding that “Damascus Candidate” Hussein Obama isn’t activity to be abbreviating the active of Christians with scimitars. Praise Jesus.

COMMENT #103 [Permalink]… MrBill123 said on 1/11/2008 @ 3:13 am PT…

I am activate by the responses acquaint actuality – the spirit that I was accomplished that ran abysmal in Americans is still strong.

27 years of accretion backbreaking government and 7 years of accelerated dismantling of the Architecture has not gone un-noticed. There is absolutely a accord of assessment bidding actuality that represents the aforementioned spirit that fought adjoin the absolutism of George III. Until recently, the US had the best educational system. I can see the results. The priciples of abandon and amends expoused by the Architecture and Bill of Rights has not yet been squashed.There is absolutely achievement aback men and women of all backgrounds, cachet and position still backpack the aforementioned blaze that afflicted out the administrative British in 1776, artificial a apostle bunched amid the government and the absolute in 1787, who afford endless lives of bother and kin to bottle the Union in 1865 who fought on adopted shores to chargeless men, woman and accouchement apprenticed and slaughted by the darkest armament yet credible on this angel in 1945.

I for one will abide to avert this Architecture and appeal that legitmacy of any government adopted be credible afterwards any reasonable doubt. I angle with added writers afore me in unison. There will be no added accommodation as to the candor of our acclamation system.The activity in 2008 is added than activity – it is about legitmacy. Does America still acquire what it takes to ensure it has a legitmate government.The names and faces in the government is beneath important than animate that they were accurately placed there.

COMMENT #104 [Permalink]… wow said on 1/11/2008 @ 3:32 am PT…

Guys, of beforehand Hillary Clinton was not abaft it. She is acutely and anxiously in advanced of this.

She was active in authoritative abiding there was no blab in 2000 and in 2004. Her accomplishing this affirmed her baffling acceleration to adeptness in 2008. The way she/bush/pelosi/cheney see it is the following:

It is her about-face to get appointed by a anchored arrangement of appointing dictators.

Also attending at all her admirable little puppets (gergen, carville, etc.) authoritative up every alibi in the angel about how all the acclamation from Timbuktu to Siberia were all wrong. I beggarly these guys are overextension alien assembly theories that accord aid and abundance to the enemy.

Will you Clintonian Assembly Theorists (CCT) stop overextension this viscious abhorrence adjoin the victims in this adverse and catalyzing event?

This catastophic and catalyzing blow of elitest presidential aborigine artifice will annual a cardinal transformation aural the American people. This transformation acts as a “New Pearl Harbor” to force them to assignment calm and restore the constitution.

I assumption Hillary affairs the activate and ambidexterity the American bodies anon has in a way assisted the American bodies in bringing about this change rapidly rather than it actuality a apathetic bit-by-bit process.

So in a way, her acquisitiveness and airs has added acceleration adjoin abating the constitution. That should be taken into annual during her accessible approaching sentencing.

COMMENT #105 [Permalink]… the_zapkitty said on 1/11/2008 @ 3:38 am PT…

99,

nope, medication banausic for the moment and is all vascular and/or diabetes related.

But a contempo assay of beddy-bye apnea accompanying to my declining affection explained what I had feared was accretion dementia… and acquirements that I’m aloof perpetually exhausted instead of blow my apperception has done wonders for my affection

And they can amusement the apnea symptoms…

COMMENT #106 [Permalink]… BOB YOUNG said on 1/11/2008 @ 3:48 am PT…

“Analysts at the Acclamation Aegis Alliance (EDA) acquire accepted that based on the official after-effects on the New Hampshire Secretary of accompaniment web site, there is a arresting accord amid Obama and Clinton votes, aback you attending at votes archival by op-scan v. votes archival by hand:

Clinton Optical browse 91,717 52.95%Obama Optical browse 81,495 47.05%

Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%

The percentages arise to be swapped. That seems abominable unusual, to say the least.”

No big abruptness to me.

It abiding would be accessible to affairs a 100% vote swap!

It abiding looks like every apparatus “counted” vote for Clinton could acquire went to Obama and every apparatus “counted” vote for Obama could acquire went to Clinton.

I’m not abiding such a about-face has not been done before.

In the Ohio 2005 acclamation the aboriginal two options on the annual were accepted to acquire about 2/3 of the votes activity in one direction. About the exact percentages came up in the after-effects except no votes had the backbone that was accepted for yes votes and yes votes had the allotment accepted for no votes.

The accepted after-effects were taken from a bourgeois bi-weekly that up until that time had and about complete almanac of admiration results.

The blow of the issues in that acclamation additionally had abrupt after-effects but were abutting abundant that a about-face would not acquire been a abiding bet. The after-effects for best if not all of those came out accidentally but did not arise to be the aftereffect of a 100% vote swap.

The bourgeois position was the big champ as it consistently seems to be whenever these “counting” machines arise to acquire a “glitch”.

I apprehend about those Ohio after-effects at this armpit a brace of years ago:

http://www.freepress.org/index2.php

I don’t acquire a clue if that is what arise or not. Unless the votes are counted for a change none of us will anytime know.

COMMENT #107 [Permalink]… Reader said on 1/11/2008 @ 4:12 am PT…

There adeptness be annihilation to it. But I anticipate a blab is in order. All I apperceive for abiding is that I absolutely like the appearance of this Abettor 69 (no breach to 99).

COMMENT #108 [Permalink]… Lani said on 1/11/2008 @ 4:38 am PT…

How do we the bodies get them to recount, or can it abandoned be from a candidate. Why isn’t CNN, MSNBC advertisement about Dennis Kucinich…something seems fishy, like the media is aggravating to accumulate it beneath wraps. I abandoned activate out about Dennis through the net. Assuredly foxnews has an commodity about it on their site, about they are ecology comments. Not abandoned do I appeal a blab for all the candidates, but spiral those machines that acquire been accepted you can drudge it. Whatever happened to acceptable old ancient cardboard ballots…that is counted by trusted officials.

COMMENT #109 [Permalink]… Floridiot said on 1/11/2008 @ 4:44 am PT…

I acquire to angle my arch to apprehend this now

COMMENT #110 [Permalink]… plunger said on 1/11/2008 @ 4:52 am PT…

Dennis:

Focus on Rove and his admiration to consistently “Swiftboat” the believability of Avenue Polls.

THAT is the absolute bold actuality played.

Unless and until they can annihilate the convenance of Avenue Polling in the United States, it will consistently be accessible aback they abduct an election.

No Avenue Acclamation – No Affirmation of fraud.

Dick Morris, a career pollster (who has formed for both parties), states in the Hill Annual that the Acclamation Night arrangement of avenue acclamation adjoin accepted vote in six battlefield states – Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada and Iowa – was “virtually inconceivable”:

“Exit acclamation are about never amiss … So reliable are the surveys that absolutely tap voters as they leave the polling places that they are acclimated as guides to the about bluntness of elections in Third Angel countries. … To spiral up one avenue poll is exceptional of. To absence six of them is incredible.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/…ontroversy,_exit_polls

THIS IS A SET UP.

If you are activity to STEAL AN ELECTION VIA VOTE RIGGING – you allegation to lay the arena assignment – burying agnosticism in the minds of the electorate through the media shills.

Exit polling has been a reliable adjustment by which to about the aftereffect of elections above-mentioned to the final votes actuality tallied. Avenue polling has abandoned been alleged into catechism in the aftermost two acclamation cycles – but ONLY because the Avenue Polling abstracts were not accepted by the final “official” vote tally. As has now been proven, it was not the Avenue Polling abstracts that was inaccurate or unreliable, it was the advertisement of the Official Total” that had been tampered with.

It’s time to TAKE THE OFFENSIVE breadth Avenue Polling is anxious and acknowledge this Swiftboating of “Exit Polling” for what it is – a Rovian adulterated advised accurately to activity the electorate to discount the avenue poll after-effects (which will portray the abode and Senate activity beneath Autonomous Control), and rather to abandoned acquire the “Official” (FALSE) vote count.

The Boilerplate Media is absolutely complicit in the Rovian Brainwashing beforehand to discredit “Exit Polling” as estimated hoohah, aback in actuality it is the smoker gun EVIDENCE of acclamation artifice acclimated throughout the world. Ask International Elections Assemblage about the bulk of Avenue Polling.

FOCUS ON THE REAL GAME – and the affirmation abaft it. This is all in alertness for the capital event.

COMMENT #111 [Permalink]… plunger said on 1/11/2008 @ 4:55 am PT…

As the 1983 American Heritage Concordance noted, absolutism is: “A arrangement of government that challenge a absolutism of the acute right, about through the amalgamation of accompaniment and business leadership, calm with aggressive nationalism.” (The US concordance analogue has gotten somewhat squishier aback then, as all the aloft concordance companies acquire been bought up by bunch corporations.)

Mussolini was absolutely aboveboard about all this. In a 1923 announcement blue-blooded “The Doctrine of Fascism” he wrote, “If classical capitalism spells individualism, Absolutism spells government.” But not a government of, by, and for We The Bodies – instead, it would be a government of, by, and for the best able accumulated interests in the nation.

It seems that facism added resembles backcountry activity that islamic theocracy…Here is the 14-point Britt analogue as acquaint some months ago…

Dr. Lawrence Britt has advised the absolutist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt activate 14 defining characteristics accepted to each:

1. Able and Continuing Bellicism – Absolutist regimes tend to achieve connected use of affectionate mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and added paraphernalia. Flags are credible everywhere, as are banderole symbols on accouterment and in accessible displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Animal Rights – Because of abhorrence of enemies and the allegation for security, the bodies in absolutist regimes are abiding that animal rights can be abandoned in assertive cases because of “need.” The bodies tend to attending the added way or alike accept of torture, arbitrary executions, assassinations, connected incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Accumulation Annual – The bodies are rallied into a accumulation affectionate aberration over the allegation to annihilate a perceived accepted blackmail or foe: ancestral , indigenous or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Aggressive – Alike aback there are boundless calm problems, the aggressive is accustomed a asymmetric bulk of government funding, and the calm calendar is neglected. Soldiers and aggressive annual are glamorized.

5. Aggressive Sexism – The governments of absolutist nations tend to be about abandoned male-dominated. Beneath absolutist regimes, acceptable gender roles are bogus added rigid. Divorce, aborticide and homosexuality are suppressed and the accompaniment is represented as the ultimate guardian of the ancestors institution.

6. Controlled Accumulation Media – Sometimes, media is anon controlled by the government. But in added cases, the media is alongside controlled by government regulation, or affectionate media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, abnormally in war time, is absolute common.

7. Obsession with Civic Aegis – Abhorrence is acclimated as a motivational apparatus by the government over the masses.

8. Adoration and Government are Intertwined – Governments in absolutist nations tend to use the best accepted adoration in the nation as a apparatus to dispense accessible opinion. Religious abode and analogue is accepted from government leaders, alike aback the aloft credo of the adoration are diametrically adjoin to the government’s behavior or actions.

9. Accumulated Adeptness is Protected – The automated and business aristocratic of a absolutist nation generally are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually benign business/government accord and adeptness elite.

10. Activity Adeptness is Suppressed – Because the acclimation adeptness of activity is the abandoned absolute blackmail to a absolutist government, activity unions are either abandoned entirely, or are acutely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts – Absolutist nations tend to beforehand and abide accessible abhorrence to academy education, and academia. It is not aberrant for advisers and added academics to be censored or alike arrested. Chargeless announcement in the arts and belletrist is aboveboard attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment – Beneath absolutist regimes, the badge are accustomed about bottomless adeptness to achieve laws. The bodies are generally accommodating to discount badge abuses and alike abandon civilian liberties in the name of patriotism. There is generally a civic badge force with about absolute adeptness in absolutist nations.

13. Aggressive Cronyism and Bribery – Absolutist regimes about consistently are absolute by groups of accompany and assembly who accredit anniversary added to government positions and use authoritative adeptness and ascendancy to assure their accompany from accountability. It is not aberrant in absolutist regimes for civic assets and alike treasures to be appointed or alike absolute baseborn by government leaders.

14. Counterfeit Elections – Sometimes elections in absolutist nations are a complete sham. Added times elections are manipulated by apply campaigns adjoin or alike assassination of activity candidates, use of legislation to ascendancy voting numbers or political commune boundaries, and abetment of the media. Absolutist nations additionally about use their judiciaries to dispense or ascendancy elections.

COMMENT #112 [Permalink]… Dredd said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:10 am PT…

MrBill123 #30

Well said.

I will not vote for Hillary or Obama in the primary, however, a alarm for a blab is about absolute elections, not comedy pretend brawl by abominable pols. John Stewart illustrated that abortion appropriately.

The commodity or branch that is in the greatest crisis in preznit blush’s authority of amateurishness is fact, accuracy, and truth. These are supressed over and over again. That authority is Amurka, and it is a claret sucking parasite.

We acquire to bathe upstream to get annihilation akin acclamation acumen done these daze.

COMMENT #113 [Permalink]… danielle said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:14 am PT…

it’s dejavu all over again.To Phil: I’m adapted there with you, bro.I acquire that biconcave awful activity afresh aloof i did in 04 aback i leanred aural 24 hours of the after-effects that the acclamation reflected Kerry won and yet afterwards 8pm that tuesday, Backcountry numbers started aggressive inexplicably. I will never balloon that night/morning aback i relaized we do not acquire capitalism here.

To TruthIsAll: breadth the hell acquire you ben??!! It was your abstracts over at democraticunderground that i apprehend obsessively for canicule weeks months afterwards 04. Are you on top of this? So animated you’re still around, and i adjure and achievement you are in acceptable alcohol and health.

to Brad: im a TU over at Kos and the minute i acquaint about doubtable acclamation and ballots, i was formed and threatened to be befuddled off the site. Luckily Booman gets it as do added 18-carat accelerating blogs.

so actuality i am in 2008 with that ailing activity of powerlessness, that not abundant bodies acquire the complexities of how their votes end up acceptation nothing, that this is aloof a horse and pony show, that the abutting POTUS has already been absitively for us –Guliani will exhausted Hillary by 1 or 2 states — and that the organized abyss win again. Does anyone candidly acquire that the GOP is activity to duke the keys of adeptness to anyone but their own? Guiani is their own, complicit in their crimes and the advancing FALSE REALITY that we consistently accretion oursleves active in will never end until anybody in this country knows what we know.

COMMENT #114 [Permalink]… plunger said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:20 am PT…

Danielle said:

“complicit in their crimes and the advancing FALSE REALITY that we consistently accretion oursleves active in will never end until anybody in this country knows what we know.”

This Suskind commodity (where he is apropos to Rove) says it all:

http://www.nytimes.com/2…03a2a9db7c23&ei=5070

It was during a columnist appointment on Sept. 16, 2001, in acknowledgment to a catechism about citizenry aegis efforts anarchic on civilian rights, that Backcountry aboriginal acclimated the admonition chat ”crusade” in public. ”This is a new affectionate of — a new affectionate of evil,” he said. ”And we understand. And the American bodies are alpha to understand. This crusade, this war on agitation is activity to booty a while.”

In the summer of 2002, afterwards I had accounting an commodity in Esquire that the White Abode didn’t like about Bush’s aloft communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a activity with a chief adviser to Bush. He bidding the White House’s displeasure, and afresh he told me commodity that at the time I didn’t absolutely acknowledge — but which I now acquire gets to the absolute affection of the Backcountry presidency.

The abettor said that guys like me were ”in what we alarm the reality-based community,” which he authentic as bodies who ”believe that solutions arise from your authentic abstraction of credible reality.” I nodded and murmured commodity about broad-mindedness attempt and empiricism. He cut me off. ”That’s not the way the angel absolutely works anymore,” he continued. ”We’re an authority now, and aback we act, we actualize our own reality. And while you’re belief that absoluteness — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating added new realities, which you can abstraction too, and that’s how things will array out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be larboard to aloof abstraction what we do.”

Who besides guys like me are allotment of the reality-based community? Abounding of the added adopted admiral in Washington, it would seem. A accumulation of Autonomous and Republican associates of Congress were alleged in to altercate Iraq ancient afore the October 2002 vote acceding Backcountry to move forward. A Republican abettor afresh told Time Annual that the admiral absolved in and said: ”Look, I appetite your vote. I’m not activity to agitation it with you.” Aback one of the senators began to ask a question, Backcountry snapped, ”Look, I’m not activity to agitation it with you.”

COMMENT #115 [Permalink]… plunger said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:24 am PT…

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/18-Aug-2006.html

A TOP GLOBAL CONSPIRATOR CONFIRMS THE GLOBAL CONSPIRACY

For the annual of knee-jerk ‘smart fellows’ whose minds are befogged by ‘slides’ and who will be absorbed to adduce the Editor of International Bill Review of actuality a ‘conspiracy theorist’, the afterward annual by one of the arch globalist strategists, Mr David Rockefeller, arise in 2002*, will no agnosticism arise as a shock:

‘For added than a aeon brainy extremists [sic] at either end of the political spectrum acquire bedeviled aloft well-publicised incidents such as my appointment with Castro, to beforehand the Rockefeller ancestors for the disproportionate access they affirmation we apply over American political and over bread-and-butter institutions. Some alike acquire we are allotment of a abstruse assembly animate adjoin the best interests of the United States, anecdotic my ancestors and me as “internationalists” and of conspiring with others about the angel to body a added chip all-around political and bread-and-butter anatomy ? one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I angle guilty, and I am appreciative of it’.

As will be seen, David Rockefeller acknowledges that he is allotment of a abstruse assembly (synarchy) which works adjoin the best interests of the United States. Why has he not yet been indicted, then, for conspiring adjoin the United States beneath Section 371 of the United States Code, Appellation 18, ‘Crimes and Bent Procedure’, which states that ‘if two or added bodies cabal either to achieve any breach adjoin the United States, or to bamboozle the United States, or any bureau thereof in any abode or for any purpose, and one or added of such bodies do any act to aftereffect the commodity of the conspiracy, anniversary shall be fined beneath this appellation or confined not added than bristles years, or both’?

COMMENT #116 [Permalink]… plunger said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:26 am PT…

It’s time to accession the akin of abode breadth the appellation “Conspiracy” is concerned:

http://www.globalsecurit…indictment_04aug2005.htm

We’ve all been conditioned to chortle and badinage aback non-professionals activity theories about conspiracies. It’s time to allocution about all of these theories and breach the accomplished thing.

The Abramoff, AIPAC and Libby Trials are ALL THE SAME CONSPIRACY:

http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com/

Cheney beatific Ledeen to accommodated with Ambassador Mel Sembler in Italy to bulb the artificial Niger document.

COINCIDENTALLY…Mel sembler active up Scooter Libby’s Acknowledged aegis fundANDDespite the actuality he’s a constant Republican, Sembler captivated a fundraiser for Lieberman in Palm Beach – in allocation with Rove and the WH.

Connect ALL the dots…Lieberman is now assigned the assignment of absorption Chertoff.

How does McCain agency in?

A New Jersey-based beforehand broker acutely complex in fund-raising efforts for the 2004 Republican convention, Lewis Eisenberg, is signing on with Mr. McCain. Mr. Eisenberg is a aloft Goldman Sachs accomplice who served as administrator of the Anchorage Ascendancy lath at the time of the September 11, 2001, agitator attacks.

WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

It was Eisenberg who anesthetized the $15 billion Asbestos Accountability represented by the Twin Towers assimilate Larry Silverstein, the man who accepted about to accepting Architecture 7 “PULLED” by explosives – admitting the actuality that no alike addled it:

Pull the absolute cilia and don’t stop pulling.The Asbestos accountability belonged to Halliburton, accepting acquired it forth with his accretion of Dresser.

GW included the activity in his Accompaniment of the Union accent in 2005:

“To achieve our abridgement stronger and added competitive, America allegation reward, not punish, the efforts and dreams of entrepreneurs. Baby business is the aisle of advancement, abnormally for women and minorities, so we allegation chargeless baby businesses from causeless adjustment and assure honest job-creators from clutter lawsuits. (Applause.) Amends is distorted, and our abridgement is captivated aback by capricious class-actions and barmy asbestos claims — and I appetite Congress to canyon acknowledged reforms this year.”

FULL CIRCLE.

COMMENT #117 [Permalink]… Paul said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:47 am PT…

What vote artifice experts are branch to NH to attending into this?

COMMENT #118 [Permalink]… semperfi said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:58 am PT…

Those association who anticipate that a blab will get to the basal of things had bigger apprehend what Nancy Tobi, an EI activist in NH, has to say: http://www.democracyforn…shire.com/node/view/5324

“… Proponents and apologists of the privatized and computerized accumulated elections generally absolve computerized elections adage how “easy” it is to abject a duke abacus election. They say, “But you can consistently bandy out the ballots to get the abacus you want!”

And they are 100% absolute about this. But abandoned aback there is no aborigine oversight. And the abandoned time this happens in a duke abacus acclamation is in a recount.

In the Acclamation Night count, the aboriginal count, the abacus that matters, all duke abacus elections acquire complete aborigine bare as a assay adjoin the affectionate of abject aftereffect you would accretion in a acclamation swapping affair. But in a recount, there is absolutely no aborigine bare for the absolute time amid Acclamation Night and the blab itself.

If we are activity to accept the achievability that some abominable cool spy has agitated to rig a New Hampshire election, wouldn’t we accept they acquire additionally taken into annual our advanced blab laws? Wouldn’t we accept they adeptness acquire a Plan B to ensure a blab validates their abominable doings? Is it at all analytic that evildoers who accretion their way into our apparatus counts adeptness not additionally accretion a way into our recounts?

Open and honest elections crave aborigine oversight. This is a simple activity to achieve in a duke abacus Acclamation Night count. But in a blab it is impossible.

In a recount, citizens acquire no ascendancy over the acclamation alternation of custody. Unless citizens acquire stood bouncer over every acclamation box from the moment that it was closed and active by our bounded acclamation officials, the blab provides no added affirmation than the apparatus counts. A blab of a abstruse computerized vote abacus is aloof accession anemic articulation in the alternation of about appreciable acclamation aegis adapted for honest and accessible elections.

In 2004, on appeal from aborigine activists, applicant Ralph Nader had a New Hampshire recount. Abandoned 11 districts, alleged by a abstruse out of accompaniment activist, claiming to be a statistician who had activate anomalies in the results, were recounted. New Hampshire admiral at the time disagreed with her estimation but the blab occurred as she directed. To nobody’s surprise, the recounts baldheaded no cogent discrepancies, and New Hampshire’s arrangement of accumulated controlled abstruse vote counting got a big brand of approval.

And actuality we are again. Accession accumulated controlled New Hampshire election. Accession ambiguous outcome. Did the Nader blab change things for the better? Did it boldness the problem?

If New Hampshire conducts a blab now, it’s as reasonable as not to accept this blab will afresh not acknowledge any cogent discrepancies. Our accumulated controlled abstruse vote abacus elections will be validated, and we will abide to acquire elections whose outcomes can not be trusted. …”

This activity is additionally discussed at BBV: http://www.bbvforums.org…gi?file=/1954/71260.html

COMMENT #119 [Permalink]… danielle said on 1/11/2008 @ 6:00 am PT…

plunger . . i had referenced the susking commodity a few canicule ago for a cavalcade at DK . . i will never balloon those quotes apropos “we act and you abstraction what we do” theme.right now they are acting and the media is spinning and the bodies are believing. but i’m not.

thanks.

COMMENT #120 [Permalink]… analyst said on 1/11/2008 @ 6:21 am PT…

… TruthIsAll said on 1/10/2008 @ 10:14 pm PT…

Brad, the accompaniment is alike greater than that. The numbers bout to aural .0001% !

Optical ScanClinton 91,717 52.9507%Obama 81,495 47.0493%Total 173,212

Hand CountedClinton 20,889 47.0494%Obama 23,509 52.9506%Total 44,398—————-

To me this implies that the absolute vote counting was/is a adulterated — the vote numbers arise to acquire been absolutely bogus (a bubble of somebodies absolute artistic mind!)

Couple this with the Ron Paul “Sutton” affair. There, 31 votes for Ron Paul appeared from nowhere. Let me busy accept a 1000 votes were casting in Sutton So the totals arise would acquire been 1000 votes with Ron Paul accepting 0 votes. Now that his votes were adapted to 31 votes — did the absolute vote abacus sum to 1000 or 1031 — breadth did these 31 votes arise from?

COMMENT #121 [Permalink]… analyst said on 1/11/2008 @ 6:30 am PT…

The association of my antecedent animadversion is that it is not that accessible to change and assemble numbers afterwards actuality caught. THe totals should bout up with the cardinal of voters that came in to vote. I am audacious that that almanac is kept seperately. If the totals do not bout up, afresh the vote counts are doubtable as I acquire happened in Sutton

COMMENT #122 [Permalink]… Bob In Pacifica said on 1/11/2008 @ 6:32 am PT…

I’m not abiding if I butt why there shouldn’t be a blab in NH. I got an email, which seems to acquire been afresh actuality several times, that we can’t be abiding of who bedevilled the ballots, who printed the ballots, etc.

True. Conceivably accession printed an absolute alike set of cardboard ballots and acquire swapped the affected ones for the absolute ones. But that’s absolutely accursed unlikely.

And the best we delay the added monkey business there will be.

I will absorb any approach as to how an acclamation may acquire been baseborn or how the evildoers may try to awning it up.

However, I accretion the altercation that you don’t do a blab because they adeptness afflicted the blab is a rather sad argument. It’s array of abandonment because you adeptness lose. And as far as attractive bad, bodies accept you are basics if you catechism these machines. Am I afraid about actuality alleged a nut at this backward stage?

COMMENT #123 [Permalink]… Dredd said on 1/11/2008 @ 6:40 am PT…

the italians italics acquire run amok … … additional there is a accomplishments assignment that is bistro up CPU time cautiously …

COMMENT #124 [Permalink]… Bob In Pacifica said on 1/11/2008 @ 6:40 am PT…

There is no analytic acumen for Clinton and her bodies to blow her candor to abduct so few delegates.

However, it makes complete faculty to abduct assembly for her in adjustment to bore her later. If there was a artifice here, alike if Clinton had annihilation to do with it, this will be a time bomb accessible to go off aback the perps appetite it to.

COMMENT #125 [Permalink]… GWN said on 1/11/2008 @ 6:54 am PT…

#109 Floridiot”I acquire to angle my arch to apprehend this now”

COMMENT #126 [Permalink]… Cindy said on 1/11/2008 @ 6:56 am PT…

W00t W00t W00t!!!!!!!!!!!FYI I aloof went over to Dennis’s web armpit and bogus a contribution. He is now my guy, ska-rew the MSM poleeeticians.

I do accede with Brad:”We would additionally absorption Kucinich and his aggregation to anxiously audit the alternation of aegis for the ballots in question, and what has happened to them, and the accessible op-scan anamnesis cards, aback the acclamation two canicule ago, during the aeon that affair has been broadly bidding about the acutely aberrant after-effects of Tuesday’s election. It’s important that the alternation of aegis be both secure, absolutely logged, and transparent.”

In computer forensics, the alternation of aegis is everything. We acquire to apperceive how the alternation of aegis was maintained from the point throughout the cycle.

You can bet your patootie that the MSM won’t be adage a chat about this nor slags lit Ed accessory on Air America, nor that jerk Bennett on Sirius, who this morning was accepting a active altercation on how abounding times he changes his underwear – (with alarm ins)…….. as Stephie Miller would say on her appearance – I aloof threw up in my aperture a little bit.

GO Dennis!!!

COMMENT #127 [Permalink]… Dredd said on 1/11/2008 @ 7:05 am PT…

OT

Musharraf has threatened US Troops … acquire we not paid him lately? The absolutist buzz companies chock-full the spying on Americans aback the FBI chock-full advantageous them.

Likewise, Lets stop advantageous acclamation warlords aback they abort to do their able job.

COMMENT #128 [Permalink]… Floridiot said on 1/11/2008 @ 7:07 am PT…

Dredd, funny you should say that about a accomplishments task.ever aback aftermost July aback we were accepting our little altercation about Southworth et al, I acquire had the aforementioned activity happen.It doesn’t appearance up on the assignment manager, or the active programs, but aback I go to shut bottomward sometimes it hangs and I get a glimpse of it…I’ll get the name of it abutting time.

COMMENT #129 [Permalink]… GWN said on 1/11/2008 @ 7:29 am PT…

I’m abiding Brad, your best “tenacious acclamation candor fighter” , would acknowledge a little $$$$ too.

COMMENT #130 [Permalink]… Bob In Pacifica said on 1/11/2008 @ 7:35 am PT…

I acquire been application the numbers at “Ron rox”. Is there a bigger source? If so, could accession amuse cavalcade it?

COMMENT #131 [Permalink]… Floridiot said on 1/11/2008 @ 7:43 am PT…

Here’s McCains new beforehand song, he’s a one brawl (marble) man

Link

COMMENT #132 [Permalink]… RatherNotSay said on 1/11/2008 @ 7:53 am PT…

(I’ve acquaint actuality afore beneath accession alias, but will use a pseudonym actuality for affirmation that will become obvious.){Still, you will appetite to acquire best out a awning name and ashore to it. Those are the rules. –99}I abhorrence to accompany this up, but commodity doesn’t aroma absolutely adapted here.

Assuming that this voting was absolutely gamed, why would they be so blatently obvious? These bodies are experts – they apperceive that they abandoned allegation to fix it by one vote added than the adversary to win the election, and they’ve done it abounding times before. Further, in this case, for all intents and purposes, the aftereffect is irrelevent – by the time the blab is done, abounding added states will acquire had their primaries and what the blab reveals will change nothing.

The advanced allowance amid the acclamation and votes suggests to me one of two accessible scenarios – either the polling was gamed somehow (up until absolute recently, polling about akin the outcome), or they were chic accurately to draw massive absorption from the acclamation advocates (and possibly abroad from commodity else?*).

My anticipation for the aftereffect of the blab – there will be some anomalies, but best of those can be explained by mistakes bogus by bodies (such as barter numbers or miscalibration of the calendar readers); the machines will acquire formed “flawlessly”. Regardless, the errors activate would not acquire afflicted the aftereffect of the voting. Additionally, some of the exhausted could calmly be explained by the ample cardinal of “improper or illegal” voters – we’ve already credible suggestions (real or not) of precincts active our of votes (meaning acutely that added bodies voted than should have), and non-residents voting (a abode on this appointment acclaimed a ample cardinal of out-of-state authorization plates in a belt parking lot, and in the aforementioned cavalcade a animadversion acquainted the abridgement of ID checking).

Therefore, the accessible abstracts of this accomplished blend would be the following: Polling cannot be trusted aback it was so amiss compared to the absolute voting that the blab accepted to be accurate; Aback there were so abounding animal accompanying errors in the counting process, it would be bigger to abolish them from the activity entirely, for instance the arrangement errors in the calendar readers could acquire been abhorred absolutely if we had abandoned acclimated touch-screen machines. Additionally, aback it appears that abounding bodies who should not acquire voted absolutely did, we allegation stronger aborigine allotment and identifcation laws to ensure that abandoned those that should vote absolutely do so.

Believe me, the book I categorical aloft is not my desire, but one accessible account of the affirmation that I’ve credible so far. I achievement I’m wrong. If you acquire an alternating explaination that fits all the facts, amuse allotment it.

(*Note that the acclamation started alteration abandoned a abbreviate while ago – about the time the Times would acquire started fact-checking the Edmonds adventure {and angled off those complex that advertisement was imminent}. It’s additionally an absorbing accompaniment how the Edmonds adventure started accepting drive on the day of the primary, and afresh bound died.)

So, with that, let the ablaze begin.

COMMENT #133 [Permalink]… JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 1/11/2008 @ 7:53 am PT…

COMMENT #134 [Permalink]… BOB YOUNG said on 1/11/2008 @ 8:00 am PT…

I declared in #106 that I do not acquire a clue what happened. What I meant to betoken Is I don’t acquire affirmation that they were swapped.

I do acquire a absolute acceptable clue that some activity was taken by the machines that resulted in Clinton accepting acclaim for votes one would apprehend to go to Obama and Obama accepting votes accepted to go to Clinton.

Here is why I can say that:

It is a absolute connected attempt that any contestant’s apparatus abacus will bout the percent of the duke abacus of any adversary that has a altered allotment of the duke count. The added the duke counts adapt the added absurd it is that such a activity will happen. Accepting it happened already in any hunt is a connected shot. Accepting it apart arise to two contestants in the aforementioned hunt is a abundant best shot.

With the duke counts acting as acceptable but far from complete predictors for the apparatus “count” the likelihood of any contestants apparatus “count” analogous their own duke abacus should not be a connected attempt at all. It should in actuality be somewhat expected.

If a vote swapping activity by the machines acquired Obama allotment to bout Clintons duke counted allotment it automatically afflicted Clinton’s apparatus abacus to the allotment that Obama got in the duke count. If there was no bandy afresh these two connected shots had to arise independently. Afterwards a bandy any added adversary could acquire recovered Obamas absent votes. Every distinct one of those absent Obama votes would not acquire had to go to Clinton.

So what are we to believe?

1. That their votes were swapped .

2a. That two contestants hit on absolute connected shots in the aforementioned contest:2b. The two contestants who hit on those absolute connected shots (2a) aloof by blow adventitious happened two be the two contestants who did not accomplish according to pre-election expectations

ALL of the Acute Money is acutely on advantage cardinal one.

So I can’t absolutely say I don’t acquire a clue. I apperceive breadth to put my money.

COMMENT #135 [Permalink]… Bob In Pacifica said on 1/11/2008 @ 8:15 am PT…

RATHERNOTSAY,

The achievability of aborigine artifice in NH is not accessible to best people. And it’s not actuality covered in the boilerplate media at all.

If this were some affectionate of bureaucracy to already and for all abort the abstraction of acclamation artifice in the American accessible this aboriginal in the primary division so that frauds may be perpetrated afterwards afresh you would apprehend a lot added advertisement to alarm absorption to it in adjustment to bang it down.

If a anecdotal were actuality created the boilerplate media would be adapted on top of this.

COMMENT #136 [Permalink]… Floridiot said on 1/11/2008 @ 8:18 am PT…

Dudes, the Kucinich blab adventure is on the bounded annual approach bottomward in Tampa

COMMENT #137 [Permalink]… JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 1/11/2008 @ 8:26 am PT…

Unfortunatly there aren’t added association like Brad Friedman in accessible office.

COMMENT #138 [Permalink]… noob said on 1/11/2008 @ 8:46 am PT…

Regarding the exact allotment analogous of the votes:Clinton Optical browse 91,717 52.95%Obama Optical browse 81,495 47.05%

Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%

Would it be aloof as apprehensive if the Clinton Obama votes were antipodal on the optical as well?

In added words, Why would the allotment breach be absolutely the aforementioned from duke to optical, whether they accord the aforementioned champ or opposite?

Just wondering, I’m all on lath with the allegation for a “counter” revolution.Thanks

COMMENT #139 [Permalink]… BOB YOUNG said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:06 am PT…

#138

I’m not abiding absolutely what you are asking.

Matching your own duke abacus with your absolute apparatus abacus is abundant easier than maching to that accession else. Any one bout as exact as these is a connected shot. If one of these happend as the aftereffect of a bandy affairs the added would automatically arise too. Afterwards a bandy blazon affairs acting on the after-effects you acquire to acquire two absolute connected shots blow to these two people. And you additionally acquire to be absurd abundant to acquire that these flukes aloof happened to arise to two bodies who by blow adventitious aloof happened to bout anniversary others allotment rather than that of any added of the contestants.

In abbreviate you acquire do baffle all the laws of probibality to acquire that this was an candidly counted election!

COMMENT #140 [Permalink]… Linda said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:18 am PT…

There’s a letter accounting by accession alleged Nancy Tobi at http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/30018, beforehand progressives NOT to do a recount. It’s a absolute awe-inspiring letter, and I anticipation I’d canyon it on to see what you association actuality anticipate about it.

COMMENT #141 [Permalink]… Eric said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:23 am PT…

I heard Dennis on the radio this morning and he will be accepting this blab as connected as he can pay for it. Way to go.

COMMENT #142 [Permalink]… noob said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:28 am PT…

#139

I’m pointing out that there are two doubtful things:

1: the duke and optical percentages are identical.

2: the duke and optical after-effects are reversed.

COMMENT #143 [Permalink]… B CAREFUL DENNIS said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:30 am PT…

W A R N I N G: Aback Obama and Clinton had their numbers absolutely SWAPPED by the optical scanners SOMEONE INVOLVED with the aboriginal artifice is activity to admit themselves into the blab activity and assert that the acclamation adjustment for Obama and Clinton are SWAPPED as able-bodied This way the recounts will be TOTALLY CONSISTENT and “PROVE” Hillary WON. This is a DISASTER and Kucinich is walking into a trap.

We NEED MASSIVE EYES ON THIS RECOUNT PROCESS AND WE NEED TO KNOW THE ORIGINAL BALLOT ORDER. Abundant was bogus of the actuality that Clinton was at the TOP of the acclamation and Obama was at the BOTTOM. Was this authentic or was this allotment of the plan to RIG ANY RECOUNT? WE NEED SWORN STATEMENTS FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE VOTERS AND POLL WORKERS AS TO THE ORDER IN WHICH OBAMA AND CLINTON APPEARED ON THE BALLOT ON ELECTION DAY OTHERWISE THIS RECOUNT IS WORSE THAN USELESS.

WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE RECOUNT WORKERS ARE NOT MISLEAD ABOUT WHICH END OF THE BALLOT IS READ BY THE MACHINE. IF RECOUNT WORKERS ARE TOLD THAT THE MARK AT THE BOTTOM IS THE CLINTON VOTE AND THE MARK AT THE TOP IS THE OBAMA VOTE AGAIN THEY WILL HAVE SUCCESSFULLY STOLEN IT. SEE HOW CLEVER THIS FRAUD WAS? BALLOT POSITION SWAPPING IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE ELECTION FRAUD – NOT FRAUDULENTLY CHANGING THE VOTE TOTALS.

COMMENT #144 [Permalink]… danrose said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:34 am PT…

Analysts at the Acclamation Aegis Alliance (EDA) acquire accepted that based on the official after-effects on the New Hampshire Secretary of accompaniment web site, there is a arresting accord amid Obama and Clinton votes, aback you attending at votes archival by op-scan v. votes archival by hand:

Clinton Optical browse 91,717 52.95%Obama Optical browse 81,495 47.05%

Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%

The percentages arise to be swapped. That seems abominable unusual, to say the least.

I aloof ran the numbers, application the boondocks by boondocks abstracts from the NH Secretary of Accompaniment (who has a typo in his canton totals incidentally, but abandoned one vote bottomward for Richardson in Grafton, and one vote up for Richardson in Strafford, so they alike out) and the duke abacus vs. apparatus abacus descriptions from the ronrox folio (who has amiss all-embracing totals, too).The absolute percentages aren’t reflected in the numbers above. Clinton absolutely got 40.63% of the vote in optical browse towns, and 34.88% of the vote in duke abacus towns. Obama absolutely got 36.13% in optical browse and 39.22% in duke abacus towns.The abandoned way to get the percentages aloft are if you analyze Clinton/(Clinton Obama) votes, not Clinton/(entire field) of votes. This is aloof a coincidence, and isn’t absolutely reflected in the data.

Additionally, for the antecedent that apparatus counted towns addled votes arise Clinton from Obama, if you attending through the data, best of the abate towns (Lebanon and Keene) went for Obama while the aloft ones went for Clinton (Manchester and Nashua). Alike aural ample cities, some wards went to Obama and some to Clinton – Concord was breach bottomward the average this way, but belted hardly Clinton.

Not adage this was a altogether aloft lath election, but from the absolute abstracts arise by the secretary of state, it doesn’t attending like the aloft vote-flipping antecedent is authentic by fact.

If anyone is interested, I acquire the complete abstracts as an excel spreadsheet. Feel chargeless to email me at my name aloft at gmail.

COMMENT #145 [Permalink]… Alice said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:38 am PT…

The exact switched optical/hand % totals are like a cartel to recount. If so, one approach is that it is a allurement to arrest approaching recounts etc. Is it accessible that fraud(that looks arrant to me) was committed to animate a blab to appearance that after-effects can absolutely be changed?

COMMENT #146 [Permalink]… danrose said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:41 am PT…

#142 and #143,

The percentages were not absolutely flipped. That abandoned comes out aback you blend about with what the antecedent numbers are.

Normally, you account totals as:Candiate votes/total votesAnd so for anniversary method, you’d get:Candidate votes in duke abacus towns/total votes in duke abacus townsCandidate votes in apparatus abacus towns/total votes in apparatus abacus towns.

However, those “flipped” numbers are affected by:Clinton votes in duke abacus towns/(sum of Clinton and Obama votes in duke abacus towns)vs.Obama votes in duke abacus towns/(sum of Clinton and Obama votes in duke abacus towns)[and aforementioned for apparatus abacus towns]

Now, it is a accompaniment that they arise out flipped, but it’s aloof coincidence, like Bill Gates’ name in ASCII abacus up to 666. No one absolutely calculates the numbers that way, and a “the machines counted all Obama votes for Clinton and carnality versa” antecedent isn’t authentic by those percentages, because afresh the all-embracing totals would acquire been flipped… but they aren’t.

Additionally, it varies by towns, and alike varies by wards in ample cities. Unfortunately, this is aloof authentic coincidence.

Again – abstracts is accessible in an excel breadth for anyone who wants it at my name @ gmail.

COMMENT #147 [Permalink]… the_zapkitty said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:48 am PT…

…… Linda asked…

“There’s a letter accounting by accession alleged Nancy Tobi at http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/30018, beforehand progressives NOT to do a recount.”

Nancy’s authentic apropos are now discussed both in Brad’s commodity and in the comments, but here’s a quick reply:

New Hampshire has NO defended alternation of aegis for its cardboard ballots… and if there is a alterity and if it’s not a malfunction afresh the perps would apperceive that and will acquire able apprpriate countermeasures.

Voila! All numbers match!

And the aforementioned Republican-primed babble apparatus that screams “CONSPIRACY THEORIST!!!” at anyone adventuresome to ask that ballots absolutely be counted… that babble apparatus will still be agreeable “TOLD YOU SO” as our new admiral marches our troops into Tehran.

COMMENT #148 [Permalink]… Jesse said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:52 am PT…

So does anyone apperceive if he’s requesting a duke blab or not?

COMMENT #149 [Permalink]… Robert Reardon said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:53 am PT…

I’m assuredly to the point breadth I’ve accustomed up on my ‘Ozzie and Harriet’ appearance of activity in the U.S. … Bush/Cheney acquire won. They acquire defeated capitalism by accusation it in the teeth, and they’ve done it with 99% of the sheep in this country (which does not accommodate those on this board) absolutely dark of it. Now that I’ve accustomed up aggravating to fix the problem, because it is way aloft that point, the catechism that faces me is this: what to do with this knowledge? Move out of the country? Acquire the facts and watch the country disintigrate afore my eyes? Or do I acquire added choices? Accession bell in, amuse …

COMMENT #150 [Permalink]… bluebird said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:54 am PT…

I’m not a mathematician like WOW! is (#39), but I am pissed off abundant to appetite to attending at this hunt added anxiously with my own eyes. What I activate mirrors what WOW! said about vote reversal:

Not counting two ties, Obama won 85 out of 132 duke counted towns and cities , and Clinton won abandoned 47, aloof a little added than bisected of what Obama won.

Machine counted cities and towns antipodal this trend, although not cardinal for cardinal : of 97 apparatus counted towns, Clinton won 58 and Obama won 39.Machine abacus champ by boondocks size:

under 1000 vote towns : Clinton 20, Obama 16.1000-2000 vote towns: Clinton 18, Obama 13.2000-3000 vote towns: Clinton 6, Obama 4.3000-4000 vote towns: Cinton 3, Obama 2.4000-5000 vote towns: Clinton 2, Obama 1.5-10 K vote towns: Clinton 6, Obama 2.over ten thousand: Clinton 2, Obama 1.

Although the cardinal of abate apparatus counted towns Obama wins is afterpiece to Clinton’s, he still loses in all categories and he wins abandoned 50% or beneath of the three bigger admeasurement towns.

In the burghal of Manchester, Obama absent about 3100 votes to Clinton.

I bankrupt bottomward the abstracts so it would be believer friendly. I bogus a cavalcade of the cities counted by duke and accession for the cities counted by machine, and entered them alphabetically application abandoned Obama and Clinton, with the champ on top for accessible scanning. The annual is acutely accessible to read. If anyone, including you, Brad, wants this list, let me apperceive on bradblog.

Example:

DIEBOLD ACCUVOTE OPTICAL SCAN

Allenstown- 990 votesClinton= 461votes, 46.57%

Obama =256 votes, 25.86%

This armpit larboard justifies, so the boondocks name can’tindented like it is on my list.

Please counterbalance in. Abounding of you are experts in this area, I’m not. Corrections welcome.

COMMENT #151 [Permalink]… Dam said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:15 am PT…

COMMENT #152 [Permalink]… bejammin075 said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:18 am PT…

#146 (Danrose)

You’re assay is not absolutely right. You point out how vote percentages are commonly counted (with the denominator as the absolute votes, rather than 2 candidates added together). The point I’d like to achieve is that it does not achieve a aberration to the case that Brad et al are making. If the calculations aloft had included votes from the added candidates, it artlessly would acquire bargain the Clinton and Obama numbers, but the Clinton and Obama numbers would still be flipped.

So, aloof because the abacus credible does not accommodate votes from the added candidates, it does not change a thing.

You say it’s aloof a coincidence. How do you KNOW? You don’t. Those numbers by themselves don’t prove anything, but they are suspicious, and 100% connected with a blueprint absurdity breadth the Clinton votes are swapped with Obama votes. Which I bet is one of the easiest hacks to do.

I say, at atomic alpha accomplishing a duke blab somewhere. The vote flipping antecedent should be accessible to test, if the raw pre- and exit-polling abstracts were available. There allegation be Clinton and Obama strongholds aural NH. The flipping alterity would be best credible in the strongholds. E.g. an are that is 65/35 in favor of Obama aback votes 65/35 for Hillary.

COMMENT #153 [Permalink]… axrh said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:20 am PT…

COMMENT #154 [Permalink]… Bob In Pacifica said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:21 am PT…

I asked afore if anyone has a armpit with the final totals. One actuality wrote that ronrox doesn’t acquire the official totals. Could accession accommodate a link?

COMMENT #155 [Permalink]… the_zapkitty said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:23 am PT…

… Jesse inquired…

“So does anyone apperceive if he’s requesting a duke blab or not?”

New Hampshire law requires that all recounts be by hand. But the Nader blab showed how alike that can be gamed by blooming acrimonious precincts and abandoned accomplishing “partial recounts”.

The adapted questions afresh become:

1.) How abundant of a recount?2.) If not a abounding blab afresh how random?3.) Breadth is the affirmation bold an ceaseless alternation of aegis for the ballots actuality counted?

COMMENT #156 [Permalink]… elliott said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:25 am PT…

I disagree w/ the Nanci Tobi letter in that a recount, demography into application the mucked up cardboard trail, will at atomic aftermath accessible absorption that alike lefty talk-show hosts debris to allocution about. The abandoned shows I see advertence this are Stephanie Miller, Tom Hartmann, Jon Elliott, Mike Malloy and added added abstruse hosts. Thank God for them! The Ed Shultz’s and Randi Rhodes on prime time won’t alike acknowledgment it. If this keeps up,..voting will be for suckers!

COMMENT #157 [Permalink]… Bob In Pacifica said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:26 am PT…

FLORIDIOT,

The adventure isn’t on civic news, it’s not on my bounded annual and best “liberal” allocution appearance hosts are blank the adventure if not pooh-poohing it in case a devious accession mentions it.

COMMENT #158 [Permalink]… Bob In Pacifica said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:29 am PT…

The abandoned radio appearance I’ve heard breadth the host seemed absolutely accommodating to allocution about this is Peter B. Collins. But afresh afresh he has Brad on as a approved guest.

COMMENT #159 [Permalink]… bejammin075 said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:32 am PT…

A audacious hypocracy to point out with the AfterDowningStreet cavalcade beforehand to NOT try to duke abacus the ballots. I didn’t apprehend all 150 posts here, so affliction if this is repeated, but this should be highlighted, and I anticipate congenital into Brad’s capital article.

First, he/she says how it was absolute boxy to get a blab in 2004 in NH:

“…and we acquire abstruse the affliction from the 2004 Nader recount, in which abandoned 11 districts were counted, alleged by a abominable ambiguous person, and afresh annihilation showed up.”

And afresh he/she says the opposite:

“…don’t you anticipate the riggers would acquire a beforehand Plan B chic recount, animate how accessible it is to get a blab in NH?”

I’m confused. Is it accessible or boxy to get a blab in NH?

COMMENT #160 [Permalink]… elliott said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:37 am PT…

How abundant is the recount? The Kucinich armpit doesn’t acquire a seperate donation armpit for a blab yet. How do we accord for that cause? Lets get this brawl rolling!

COMMENT #161 [Permalink]… Ezekiel O’Brien said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:37 am PT…

Well Chris Matthews asks afresh about the alterity amid the avenue acclamation and the results. I anticipate that this is a absolute acceptable time to accord to Kucinich. I donated this morning alike admitting Edwards is my man. I am aloof ailing that we acquire to acquire this chat and that so abounding of us feel that our votes do not count.

COMMENT #162 [Permalink]… elliott said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:42 am PT…

Nanci Tobi says don’t airing into a activity w/o animate the enemy,…but we absent already,..whats a few added scars,…maybe I’m so pissed annual I animate in NH or maybe its actuality affectionate to acquire balls!

COMMENT #163 [Permalink]… zummbot said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:43 am PT…

There is no acumen whatsoever not to do this recount. Alike if it does about-face out to be aloof an batty accompaniment (people do win the lottery, I’ve been told =P ), the numbers are doubtable and belie the avenue polls, which is all the absolution all-important in my apperception to do it.

COMMENT #164 [Permalink]… nwmuse said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:44 am PT…

I acclaim Dennis, but the catechism still remains. Who would do the recount, would there be absolute assemblage of the blab process? Would it be cellophane and aloft catechism or reproach?Could this be acclimated to achieve Kucinich attending bad or ridiculous, if the activity was corrupted, could they abject the after-effects of a blab in adjustment to authority it up and say “see! it formed aloof fine! No worries”.. Afresh what happens if the after-effects are skewed in added primaries.. The candidates may be beneath acceptable to claiming it if the after-effects of analytic the voting are badinage or bad press..That would additionally put the activity in jeopardy.

I appetite transparency, all the votes to be counted accurately (or aloof to be counted), and the activity to be secure. The activity is too accessible to bribery and altering after-effects with these machines and privatizing the process. It needs to be changed. It should acquire been afflicted afore we got to this point with all that has been brash and printed about the aftermost two elections.

Kucinich is adapted to catechism but needs to beforehand carefully. I affliction best about the candor of the voting activity and attention our democracy.

COMMENT #165 [Permalink]… Dave Harpe said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:48 am PT…

Dennis has my vote aback this activity gets to California! I ambition I had the money to advice with the blab effort. Please, those who do, achieve this a priority, because it could breach accessible the accomplished rotten Diebold vote burglary betray now and in ’04. Coulter may acquire baseborn one vote, but these guys blanket millions! I aloof accomplished a new activity (a CD) which adeptness achieve some abrupt money. If this happens, Dennis gets some. But he needs it now! This is important!

COMMENT #166 [Permalink]… elliott said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:52 am PT…

Watch! This is fodder to achieve Kucinich attending the tin antithesis hat fool again,….lefty allocution appearance host Ed Shultz aloof said Kucinich is “squawking” over a vote recount. Atta way to abutment our capital Constitutional apostle big red!

COMMENT #167 [Permalink]… JEP said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:55 am PT…

“Could this be acclimated to achieve Kucinich attending bad or ridiculous, if the activity was corrupted..”

I agnosticism that Dennis cares how he looks in this circumstance, there is too abundant at pale to be annoying about claimed image.

Those “percentages” are impossible, the allowance of that statistical aberration occurring by adventitious is a actor to one, maybe alike higher.

Can we get a big accumulation “duh?”

What added affirmation do we allegation to appeal a count?

Thanks for your vigilance, Brad, and all your adamantine work.

COMMENT #168 [Permalink]… Voltron said on 1/11/2008 @ 11:03 am PT…

Sounds like South Carolina abandoned uses those asinine touch-screen machines by Ivotronic, you know, the ones with a history of abuse up counts before? The ones credible afore to be grossly unreliable?

Anyone with SC ties, amuse beforehand to acquire these machines befuddled into the dumpster and replaced with hand-counted ballots– finer counted alert with altered hands. We cannot acquire accession acknowledged primary.

COMMENT #169 [Permalink]… danrose said on 1/11/2008 @ 11:03 am PT…

#152 (Benjamin075)

You’re assay is not absolutely right. You point out how vote percentages are commonly counted (with the denominator as the absolute votes, rather than 2 candidates added together). The point I’d like to achieve is that it does not achieve a aberration to the case that Brad et al are making. If the calculations aloft had included votes from the added candidates, it artlessly would acquire bargain the Clinton and Obama numbers, but the Clinton and Obama numbers would still be flipped.

Not so…If you accommodate the totals, you get the afterward (with numbers credible for abacus purposes):Total votes for Clinton – 112,606hand votes for Clinton – 20,706machine votes for Clinton – 91,900

Total votes for Obama – 105,004hand votes for Obama – 23,281machine votes for Obama – 81,723

Now, the important part:Total votes aeon – 285,534hand vote absolute – 59,360machine vote absolute – 226,174

Now, application those absolute votes as your denominator and the applicant votes aloft as the numerator:

Total votes for Clinton – 39.44%hand votes for Clinton – 34.88%machine votes for Clinton – 40.63%

Total votes for Obama – 36.77%hand votes for Obama – 39.22%machine votes for Obama – 36.13%

See? No flip.This is not affirmation of no artifice – this is aloof affirmation that the “flip” approach is unsupported.

You say it’s aloof a coincidence. How do you KNOW? You don’t. Those numbers by themselves don’t prove anything, but they are suspicious, and 100% connected with a blueprint absurdity breadth the Clinton votes are swapped with Obama votes. Which I bet is one of the easiest hacks to do.

They aren’t connected with a blueprint absurdity is the problem, because the blueprint is done by votes, not by percentage, and not by allegory amid the two candidates but amid the accomplished field.

Again, I acquire this abstracts as an excel sheet, if you want. You can comedy with the sums and percentages yourself to see how they assemblage up.

COMMENT #170 [Permalink]… Vman said on 1/11/2008 @ 11:05 am PT…

Exit Acclamation acquire been Released absolute a alterity amid after-effects and vote count. Blab is on its way Dennis has acutely filed it.

Obama 39%Clinton 34нwards 18%

NEVER FORGET THAT ROVE SEEKS TO DISCREDIT EXIT POLLS!!!!!! Avenue acclamation acquire served as a assay on elections for decades. Abandoned until Backcountry and Rove appeared on the arena acquire they been challenged, dissed, questioned, erroneous, wrong, or presented as inaccurate.

Go Dennis Go! If Richardson and Gore aback Edwards we are in the hunt!!! Alarm Richardson today and ask him to aback Edwards!!!!.

Obama is a accumulated shill, and NOT an abettor of change. Attestant his abutment of a atramentous gassification bulb in his commune adjoin and adverse to the massive activity by his constituents. Obama has abhorred votes and did not angle up to the vote shenaniagans in NH. Appealing abundant an indicator that no bulk what the acclamation say in Novemebr if he’s the man, he will not activity for the vote. No admiration Kerry accustomed him, Mr Acknowledgment is on board!

http://existentialistcow…a-won-new-hampshire.html

COMMENT #171 [Permalink]… elliott said on 1/11/2008 @ 11:13 am PT…

Kucinich should acquire backed Edwards like he did in 2004. The flash will achromatize on Obama and we apperceive Clinton is all veneer. Botheration is, best bodies like appealing things, not reality. The blab for NH is way cheap,….still not abiding how to accord to that cause,..any help?

COMMENT #172 [Permalink]… Max 1 said on 1/11/2008 @ 11:20 am PT…

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Elliot,Does the phrase, “Fools blitz in” beggarly anything? Rushing into activity afterwards animate who your enemies are is foolish, not patriotic.

If the alternation of aegis is compromised, as Nancy Tobi credibility out, added calmly into that pot of bribery does not advice bright things up. We allegation some answers afore we alpha to recount.

Potentially, the allowance of advisedly counterfeit accessories into the voting/tabulating activity could cede the primary illegal. Now, aloof anticipate of what a blab of an actionable acclamation activity spells out. Now, which vote do you count? The one’s in an actionable acclamation or the one’s in a acknowledged election?

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COMMENT #173 [Permalink]… Phil said on 1/11/2008 @ 11:21 am PT…

After a abhorrent night of bisected ass beddy-bye with nightmares. I deathwatch up to amend what’s happened on this thread.

I see a brace themes.

#1 Alternation of aegis problems.This needs to be dealt with harshly.

#2 Diebold actuality referred to the absolute NEW aggregation alleged Premier. (they shouldn’t acquire been accustomed to do that in the aboriginal place)

#3 A catechism as to if the arise after-effects on the SOS website are correct, aback there were errors there too apparently

#4 Abhorrence as a tactic. In added words if a blab fails for any acumen afresh cyberbanking machines are somehow magically authentic to be complete for anytime into the future.

#5 Abhorrence as a tactic. Declaring polling afterwards voters vote to be abolished because it’s annual problems or is amiss or whatever BS argument.

Seems to me that if the alternation of aegis is burst as abounding acquire suggested, this vote blueprint is never activity to be sorted out able by apparatus or by cardboard ballot.

If that’s the case, afresh all the after-effects should be befuddled out and a NEW ELECTION held.

No laws acquiesce for a new election?MAKE THE LAW. FASTTRACK IT.JUST DO IT! Obey the OATH OF OFFICE.

This time authority the acclamation with 100% alternation of custody.

Seems to me if there are questions about the amends of Diebold alteration it’s name to assure itself from actuality bankrupted.

Seems to me we still acquire problems with SOS’s accepting facts beeline afore publishing data.

Seems to me that no accepted faculty will prevail. Accustomed that accepted faculty isn’t in our Sacred US Constitution, but breaking your OATH OF OFFICE is.

COMMENT #174 [Permalink]… karen said on 1/11/2008 @ 11:23 am PT…

thank you dennis k for aggravating to accessible the atramentous boxes of new hampshireshame on those of u that don’t abutment a recount.after all the architecture guarentees us a “mean count” which i anticipate means, “accurate count”if the alternation of aegis isnt secure,then certificate that and accompany accuse adjoin those clerksif i had a best its manchester that would be “recounted”,their r 12 wards that heavily voted clinton,romney,all counted by machinemanchester is whr the apollo amphitheater is,u apperceive the amphitheater whr obama arranged them axial and outside,whr peops lined up for blockstoday is the aftermost day to ask for a blab and the sec of accompaniment still doesnt acquire its numbers complete…that abandoned demands a blab because we the bodies r not accepting a “mean” abacus if abstracts is missing and /or incomplete

COMMENT #175 [Permalink]… Phil said on 1/11/2008 @ 11:24 am PT…

Seems to me there should be a able alternation of aegis in South Carolina ACTIVATED NOW!!

But no, we’ll aloof delay until afterwards it screws up too I guess.

COMMENT #176 [Permalink]… Phil said on 1/11/2008 @ 11:25 am PT…

What’s afterwards South Carolina?

Does it alike matter?

Are we all done?

COMMENT #177 [Permalink]… elliott said on 1/11/2008 @ 11:31 am PT…

max,I gotta anticipate Kucinich will footstep wisely,…to be afraid and amoeba w/ the “lets wait” attitude is the Dems downfall,….publicity is what we lack, and cat-and-mouse abiding as hell won’t advice that! I’m accessible to donate, aloof appetite to achieve abiding where….

COMMENT #178 [Permalink]… RatherNotSay said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:01 pm PT…

What too abounding accept to abort to apprehend is that New Hampshire is too inconsequential to be the smoker gun that convicts voting machines. There is far too abundant money at pale – added than activists could anytime accession – for them to acquiesce this to annihilate them. Alike bold that the voting apparatus vendors were so amateur that they would achieve a aberration on this scale, they would do aggregate accessible to achieve abiding that proving the absurdity is impossible. They (allegedly) did it in Florida, they (allegedly) did it in Ohio, this is simple in comparison.

In all reality, a recount, while accepting a absolute abbreviate adventitious of success, has an about boundless abeyant to blow or abort every bit of beforehand the acclamation rights advocates acquire fought for over the accomplished 8 years. As I said in my antecedent post, I achievement I’m wrong.

COMMENT #179 [Permalink]… accumulate your eye on the brawl said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:18 pm PT…

Is the guy who supervises the elections (David Scanlon) accompanying to one of the best abandoned pieces of backbiting algae to anytime footfall basal in this absolute land?

You apperceive Michael Scanlon, Jack Abromoff’s buddy.

COMMENT #180 [Permalink]… molly said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:20 pm PT…

I emailed Capitalism Now bygone allurement for Brad to be on their show.The Time annual biographer , who did the contempo commodity on acclamation fraud,was on and said,”No scientists acquire authentic acclamation machines acquire been hacked.” Sometimes Amy has adapted and larboard guests on. I accede Brad to be an able for progressives. Time ,well ,status quo. Annual to them defies logic…this has been activity on for decades and afresh gotten worse.

COMMENT #181 [Permalink]… accumulate your eye on the brawl said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:22 pm PT…

COMMENT #182 [Permalink]… GoodGovtGuy said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:27 pm PT…

Well – actuality we are adapted aback breadth we started. The abandoned acclamation arrangement that doesn’t allegation to be as anxious with issues such as “paper alternation of custody” and software “hackability” that can change votes on a ample calibration is …

Mechanical Batten Machines.

That’s right, the aforementioned arrangement that came into use a aeon ago abnormally to abode the aggressive artifice in cardboard acclamation elections.

Now a federal cloister is about to adjustment the aftermost accompaniment still application this time-tested, safe, defended and abundantly incontestable arrangement to be scrapped in favor of adulterated alternatives. (I’m apropos actuality to NY – which did not acquire any dark chads or added systems that alleged any after-effects into catechism – aloft the occassional abandoned apparatus malfunction in a distinct voting commune actuality or there, or the processing of cardboard ballots casting by absentee and affirmation voters)

And what acquire aborigine candor groups been spending their time on over the accomplished few years? Acquire they been arresting the atonement metal beasts that acquire produced the fairest elections of them all? NO – they’ve collapsed into the allurement of “modernization” with a arrangement (Op-Scan) they feel is bigger than the affliction of the alternatives (touch screens) – absolutely apprenticed of the massive problems that a abrupt annual of history reveals in cardboard acclamation alike afterwards the use electronic, computer-aided scanners.

If the acclamation candor movement is to be authentic to its proclaimed goals – fair elections – afresh they should assemblage about extenuative the admirable Automated Batten Machines. While it’s authentic that these anachronistic clunkers don’t accommodate the adeptness for abandoned voting by the disabled, is the another bigger – accessories they can vote on abandoned but can’t affirmation that their votes will be counted correctly? The vendors of new accessories (and those with beneath profit-driven and added power-hungry motives) are not impaired — they apperceive that attached voting arrangement accession to the accessibility “fairness” activity would ataxia the aborigine candor acreage with commodity that would achieve it about absurd to abide application the authentic systems of yore.

As Amends Anthony Kennedy asked on Wednesday during the arguments in the Indiana Aborigine ID case: “You appetite us to invalidate a statute on the arena that it’s a accessory aggravation to a baby allotment of voters?” While the catechism there absolutely depends on the analogue of “minor inconvenience” and whether it absolutely is abandoned “a baby allotment of voters” impacted by aborigine ID requirements (not to acknowledgment whether such voters tend to vote cohesively for a authentic party), the aforementioned catechism may be added pertinent to the activity of what voting arrangement to use:

You appetite us to invalidate an absolute voting arrangement on the arena that it’s a accessory aggravation to a baby allotment of voters?

It should be bright that we need, at atomic for now, to go aback to voting with the good-ole Automated Batten Machines until we can amend this absolute activity in a added sane, beneath time pressured way.

COMMENT #183 [Permalink]… Cindy said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:35 pm PT…

Can’t delay to apprehend what Mike Malloy has to say tonight! Mike had Brad on night afore last. It should to be a absolute active affairs – Mike pulls NO punches.

COMMENT #184 [Permalink]… NoDeceit said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:43 pm PT…

Bev: Kudos on all the assignment you’ve done on this issue. Now I’m apprehensive if you could amuse alarm Kucinich and let him apperceive your concerns. Acutely he is a acute man who understands the force of this issue. If he’s not acquainted of what you’ve told us, afresh I’m abiding he’d like to know. I bet the aftermost activity he wants to do is be acclimated to validate inaccurate results.

Thanks again, Bev.

COMMENT #185 [Permalink]… Erma said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:45 pm PT…

Based on this commodity (link below) from Faux Annual which I activate through Google, it would arise that Kucinich is proceeding with the “recount” in NH afterwards any attention to the apropos of Bev Harris.

“Kucinich’s beforehand said it was sending the $2,000 fee to alpha the recount.”

http://www.foxnews.com/w…ucinichNHRecount,00.html

COMMENT #186 [Permalink]… Cindy said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:47 pm PT…

Kudos to GoodGovtGuy. I ambition I had anticipation of that!Those clunkers were big, cumbersome, and I bethink that they had to be stored in our aerial school, but by god aback you addled that lever, you knew it had been flipped, and the adverse incremented, and that was that. Their use would absolutely accord us time to re-think this absolute mess. If we don’t acquire accountability and integrity, afresh the absolute activity is absent and void. In security, you allegation agreement 4 things: Confidentiality, Availability, Integrity, and Accountability. The abandoned one we acquire left, is Availability – unless of beforehand you acquire been “caged” as declared by Greg Pallast. I acquire never met a computer that I would trust.

COMMENT #187 [Permalink]… Bluebear2 said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:57 pm PT…

Brad #66,

What in the angel do you achieve of that? It’s one of the best affected things I’ve anytime seen, to be frank. Acquire no abstraction what it means…

Looks like accession “screwed up” and put Hillary’s name at the top of the Obama cavalcade in the beforehand breadth and carnality versa..

COMMENT #188 [Permalink]… Bluebear2 said on 1/11/2008 @ 12:59 pm PT…

Floridiot #74

Purely in advertence to wetting – heavens, I would never acknowledgment a woman’s age – I adeptness get hit with a wok!.

COMMENT #189 [Permalink]… Bluebear2 said on 1/11/2008 @ 1:17 pm PT…

Rotten #87 & 90

It’s not a bulk of who won – it’s is the abacus absolute or fraud!

It sounds like you angular autonomous which is great, but if they are affairs the absolute over our eyes at this point in time what do you apprehend during the absolute presidential election?

It allegation stop actuality and now!.

COMMENT #190 [Permalink]… Mark D. said on 1/11/2008 @ 1:21 pm PT…

This is why I say the best way to fix this is one simple system, nationwide, for all elections. A acclamation that is optically scanned and then, afterwards that is ALWAYS duke counted, in a accessible and an auditable adequately bi-partisan/non-partisan way. It gives an actual ‘early’ count, and abandoned afterwards the duke abacus matches it, an ‘official’ count. This about eliminates the allegation for recounts except in the best acute cases. Oh, and abandoned accessible acclamation financing, no elecoral academy and banning of all lobbyists. Period.

Once out of the way, we can get a handle on the greatest of challenges. A new budgetary arrangement no best based on borrowing our bill with absorption from the globalist bankers that abet afresh absolutely armamentarium both abandon of every war, acquired the abundant abasement and every added banking ‘correction’ and assassin every assasin that dead a US president, and alike Julius Caeser, all of whom were adjoin their authoritative currency, as they do now. America has a lot of assignment to do, this is aloof the alpha of it.

COMMENT #191 [Permalink]… NoDeceit said on 1/11/2008 @ 1:31 pm PT…

Where’s Howard Dean during all of this? Why doesn’t he get out there and assert on a fair recount? He should acquire his feel on the beating of the alternation of command for those ballots. If he’s accomplishing his job, shouldn’t he apperceive breadth the ballots are adapted now and who’s befitting an eye on them? Isn’t he declared to be attractive out for this party? I say we alpha bombarding Dean with email.

COMMENT #192 [Permalink]… Robert Reardon said on 1/11/2008 @ 1:54 pm PT…

Howard Dean was allegedly one of the FIRST bodies to be wiretapped – God knows what Backcountry is dark over his head. And you appetite him to do what??

COMMENT #193 [Permalink]… dcvaxus said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:01 pm PT…

for animadversion 133: sorry, but the tune that keeps bustling up in my arch is a bit added frightening:

{Ed Note: and we will be in the aphotic about that tune until you adhesive the url in. If you can’t assignment the articulation button thing, you can aloof adhesive the url in the animadversion and the software turns it into a link…. –99}

COMMENT #194 [Permalink]… wayne3 said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:10 pm PT…

COMMENT #195 [Permalink]… MrBill123 said on 1/11/2008 @ 2:51 pm PT…

I ask of those adjoin to the blab activity a simple question: When?When do you seek to accompany transparancy to the acclamation counting process?When do you apprehend to acquire a “smoking gun?”Are 60,000 bound aborigine annual of whom 98% are african-american are enough?Are aesthetics in cloister arresting to the absolute affection of a voting systems angary enough?If acclamation artifice is a rampent and as calmly perpetrate as the affirmation suggests, declining to betrayal it amounts to compicity in its execution.

Sucess in uncoverning specific instances of artifice is not the purpose abaft Mr Kucinich’s request.

Transparency is – transparancy in the alternation of custody, advertisement methods that abeyant “cover-up” artists will imploy is…exposing the “spin” plan is. The accessible government assumption at its amount abhores secracy, embrasses transparency.

Putting those who added the calendar of “back-room” policitics on apprehension that their accomplishments will be challenged aback there atleast appears to be questions on the accurateness of the aftereffect will futher the goals of announcement honest acclamation added than any post-hoc activity has aback 2000.

A abortion to avert the scientifically authentic avenue polling adjustment at a time aback those who are supposely the orchestraters of the fraudlent arrangement are anon arduous is arena into THEIR trap. Already again, they are application abhorrence to arrest your accomplishments and thoughts. Abhorrence to achieve you catechism whether breadth the approved rights acceding a blab should be exercised. Abhorrence to achieve you “pass” on an befalling to accompany the arrangement into the open. And best of all, abhorrence to claiming the new “meme” of anti-scientific propaganda.

Transparency advocates will consistently “loose” aback the battles are fought afterwards the war has ended.The signficant assignment at advertisement flaws and problems with the acclamation counting activity has provided the ammution for those warriors who seek to beforehand the annual of liberty. Application that information, they are now proceeding to claiming a potentially abject system.

The arrangement will not ameliorate itself from aural should be axiomatic to all. Antecedent methods of reform, including: bent penalties, civilian activity or media acknowledgment did not work. For what anytime of the assorted affirmation well-know to assemblage of this movement, old methods acquire bootless to put any damper on the enthusism of the proponants of the awry system. New methods allegation to be adopted. Methods which bang to the affection of the botheration – transparency.

If one beleives that there is still some accurateness in the addage: “Its not whether you win or lose, it is how you comedy the game”, afresh appauled efforts that concenrate on “how the bold is played”.

COMMENT #196 [Permalink]… Jim Oberg said on 1/11/2008 @ 3:05 pm PT…

Why would the Republicans blow accomplishing this in a accompaniment breadth the ballots could be counted? Of course, they apperceive it could be put off as an innocent ‘machine programming error’, as the aloft co-incidence in abstracts could indicate. The added application is that, if artifice were proven, the accusation would acceptable be pushed on to the Democrats from their babble machine. Afterwards all, it would acquire been a Democrat who benefitted from the fraud. Why would we care, they would say.

Saw this in the Bank Street Journal this morning, in an exhausted commenting on which applicant the Republicans would adopt adverse in the November election. Adeptness be a agency in amid at this aboriginal date, aback a ground-swell of abutment seemed to be architecture for Obama. Clearly, Obama represents the bigger absolute blackmail to the Republican agenda, and to their adeptness abject in Washington.

Jim

——————————————-

(Excerpt from editorial, The Bank Street Journal, Jan 11, 2008)

THE OBAMA DOWNSIDE:

He’s an unknown, a change, a brainy shift, for Republicans, who’d been gearing up for Mrs. Clinton. He’s cautiously broke into a acerbity with the cachet quo, and his optimistic bulletin of achievement is boxy to adverse (Just ask the bawling Mrs. Clinton). Is Obama-mania at its start, or its peak? The abundant abhorrence of Republicans is that it’s the former.

Mrs. Clinton has a beam on her support. No bulk how abundant a hunt she runs, any achievement will be absurd to aftereffect in cogent Washington realignment. But Mr. Obama? If he absolutely has broke into commodity abysmal in the American soul, and if he can accumulate borer until Novenber, it’s believable he could accompany with him a new ablution of Autonomous seats that could adapt the Washington political mural for years to come. That’s the big gamble.

COMMENT #197 [Permalink]… ArchiCoot said on 1/11/2008 @ 3:11 pm PT…

The Manchester Union states that the blab “could alpha Jan. 16” and that Kucinich will pay for the Autonomous acclamation blab and… here’s the absolute news…

Albert Howard of Michigan has requested and will pay for the Republican ballots.So we WILL acquire a abounding and COMPLETE acclamation blab !Let’s apprehend it for accurateness !

COMMENT #198 [Permalink]… Dredd said on 1/11/2008 @ 3:35 pm PT…

Archicoot #197

Good annual indeed. My candiadate can’t win no bulk how it goes, but the bodies can win by absolutely animate if the acclamation were off or not.

Thanks Kuchinich!

COMMENT #199 [Permalink]… DES said on 1/11/2008 @ 3:38 pm PT…

Re-posting and bombastic for those annual this site:

This is not about Applicant A acceptable or Applicant B losing. This is alone about the hackable, unsecure voting machines (optical browse in NH) that acquire been advised and authentic to be applesauce and yet are still deployed to abacus the majority of elections in this country.

Whenever and wherever there is a alterity with cyberbanking voting machines complex — no bulk how big or baby the race, no bulk if it’s Repub or Dem — Voting Candor advocates attending into it. It’s what they do.

Please do not accept or accredit motives, intentions, or abstracts to anyone actuality that are not EXPLICITLY stated. Brad makes bright bright that he doesn’t affliction who won or lost, aloof that the after-effects are ACCURATE. Period.

The armpit buyer is not amenable for the opinions of commenters in this accessible forum. No endorsement of commenters’ opinions is either advised or implied.

In addition, amuse calendar that The Brad Blog does not adduce that artifice or (“rigging”) has absolutely occurred — abandoned that the after-effects of any claiming that incorporates cyberbanking voting systems allegation be accountable to burdensome analysis and absolute analysis above-mentioned to certification.

Thank you.

COMMENT #200 [Permalink]… Bob In Pacifica said on 1/11/2008 @ 4:20 pm PT…

Jim Oberg, I’ve been adage this for a few days. It would achieve no faculty for Hillary to blow her candor for a brace of assembly at most, which appealing abundant is what an acclamation artifice in New Hampshire would have/has accustomed her.

But that doesn’t beggarly the Republicans wouldn’t appetite to blow her integrity.

COMMENT #201 [Permalink]… Onyx said on 1/11/2008 @ 4:58 pm PT…

I doubtable the axial tabulator software.

COMMENT #202 [Permalink]… Numbed by This said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:27 pm PT…

Is this true? Accession in NH booty a look:

“Why is it that Sen. Clinton aloof happens to win about every city/locality abreast the Mass. border? What was the assembly allotment statewide? What was the assembly abreast the Mass. border?”

COMMENT #203 [Permalink]… Lois G. said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:38 pm PT…

Is there a articulation to this at the NH Secy of accompaniment site? thanksOptical ScanClinton 91,717 52.9507%Obama 81,495 47.0493%Total 173,212

Hand CountedClinton 20,889 47.0494%Obama 23,509 52.9506%Total 44,398

COMMENT #204 [Permalink]… bejammin075 said on 1/11/2008 @ 8:50 pm PT…

CHECK THIS OUT!

(apparently I was accomplishing the aforementioned abacus as Lois G in #203 above, but I did more, amuse read!)

The swapped percentages can be agitated out to about 6 (six) cogent figures! Rather than the 4 cogent abstracts in Brad’s article!

Clinton Optical Scan:52.9507%

Barack Duke Count:52.9506%

Clinton Duke Count:47.0494%

Barack Optical Scan:47.0493%

OMFG! My affection is antagonism because I aloof activate ANOTHER aberancy in the numbers! THIS GETS EVEN WIERDER, PLEASE CHECK THIS OUT!

Take the abacus out to 8 sig figs, and attending at the aberration amid the Obama Op Browse and Clinton Duke Count. That miniscule aberration is 0.00014%. Now booty the Clinton Duke Abacus and add 1 vote to it, aloof to see how abundant it changes things. Now the aberration amid the Obama Op Browse and Clinton Duke Abacus is 0.002388%. That is a baby number, but it is absolutely 17 times aloft than the 0.00014%.

What that bureau is that the vote totals are swapped PERFECTLY. Alike abacus one distinct vote, and it starts to aberrate from perfection! I don’t apperceive if that bureau anything, but it abiding is WIERD!!

And the aforementioned holds authentic for abacus or adding 1 vote to ANY of the 4 vote totals. Any perturbation of aloof one vote and it deveates from perfection. Out of all these 217,610 votes casting for Barack and Clinton on the two voting methods, they could not possibly be added altogether swapped, not alike by one vote.

Fascinating!

COMMENT #205 [Permalink]… Politico said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:08 pm PT…

Does anyone acquire a articulation to the Sec. of Accompaniment for N.H. web site. I allegation to amend the numbers. No advice has beeen provided by EDA for Edwards and Richardson. What about their vote totals? The absolute for all candidates should according 100%, not aloof for two candidates. Why do the percentages for Clinton and Obama according 100%? This doesn’t achieve faculty to me.

Are you guys abiding there’s annihilation to this? Are you abiding there’s any there there? Or could this be a baloney of the data?

COMMENT #206 [Permalink]… whoppeeee said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:51 pm PT…

Giuliani gets 9.11% of the vote in three towns ?

According to this stat: http://ronrox.com/paulstats.php————————————-Campton – 604 votesVOTE COUNT METHOD: Duke Counted Cardboard Ballots- Giuliani = 55 votes = 9.11%————————————-Hampton – 3,141 votesVOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical browse ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro- Giuliani = 286 votes = 9.11%————————————-Sandwich – 395 votesVOTE COUNT METHOD: Duke Counted Cardboard Ballots- Giuliani = 36 votes = 9.11%————————————-

COMMENT #207 [Permalink]… Ancient said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:05 pm PT…

COMMENT #208 [Permalink]… bejammin075 said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:13 pm PT…

Politico #205:

I’ll hopefully accommodate a simple acknowledgment to your question. I (and the EDA) were absorption in on aloof the votes for Obama and Clinton. Sure, the added candidates got votes too. But whatever the added candidates got, that doesn’t change the accord amid the votes for Obama and Clinton. If the votes for Edwards, Richardson, Kucinich, etc, were included, the percentages for Obama and Clinton would be beneath than what I (and the EDA) showed, but the percentages for Obama and Clinton would still be altogether flipped.

Does that achieve sense?

COMMENT #209 [Permalink]… Ancient said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:18 pm PT…

Hey there babs thang , hows it hanging?

COMMENT #210 [Permalink]… Politico said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:24 pm PT…

Found and accomplished commodity on this:http://www.counterpunch….rg/lindorff01112008.html

In the aloft affiliated commodity I activate the absolute vote percentages:

Clinton Optical-Scan : 39.6%Obama Optical -Scan : 36.3%

Clinton Duke Abacus : 34.9%Obama Duke Abacus : 38.6%

Optical-scan voting machines after-effects represent 81% of the vote absolute adjoin 19% for duke counted ballots. Hand-counted ballots were acclimated in rural, beneath busy regions of the accompaniment of N.H. breadth Obama was accepted to do beneath well. Therefore, the op-scan after-effects are apprehensive at face bulk animate what we do about Diebold irregularities of the past.

I say a blab is in order, all-important and justified based on these basic numbers. But the abstraction that vote totals were alone addled is a fallacy. How could the Diebold machines acquire accepted the after-effects of hand-counted ballots, anyway? They couldn’t. It’s not as simple as that. Let that be a assignment to assembly theorists. Get your facts beeline first. Contrarily you can’t accuse aback the mainstream-media avoid you.

COMMENT #211 [Permalink]… Ancient said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:25 pm PT…

Damn don’t that jus fit!LinkI’m not abiding if the articulation copied, achievement so, in the bosom of this bits its acceptable for a teeheeheehee!

COMMENT #212 [Permalink]… Ancient said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:29 pm PT…

99, I can’t get 131 articulation to copy. Can you help, or I don’t apperceive maybe Des or Brad or someone?PLEASE

{Ancient: I anchored your articulation for you. –99}

COMMENT #213 [Permalink]… Politico said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:55 pm PT…

Sorry, Bejammin075, I acquaint afore annual your latest. Maybe I was a bit harsh, and I’m new to this story, but why does David Lindorff of Counterpunch appearance different, non-flipped percentages for the Op-Scan adjoin Duke Abacus numbers.

Flipping vote allotment totals would be an asinine way to try and abduct an election. It would scream artifice from the rooftops. Not a absolute adult way to try and barber an election, and it could abandoned be done during a final count. So whose numbers are right, castigation or David Lindorff’s. They can’t both be adapted aback his percentages aren’t flipped.

I’m not actuality confrontational. I’m aloof aggravating to get to the basal of this.

COMMENT #214 [Permalink]… Dee Stevens said on 1/11/2008 @ 11:10 pm PT…

The way they can aback up the numbers is replacing the ballots with “fake ones”, if these ballots are activity to be anecdotal what is to say that they can’t be swapped out? I am abiding there are endless of added ballots larboard over, I don’t know, I am consistently dissapointed Aboriginal it was blab florida, afresh Ohio, New Hampshire was already anecdotal in 2004 with Nader, I don’t appetite to get aflame again…………to be let bottomward again………………

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COMMENT #215 [Permalink]… bejammin075 said on 1/12/2008 @ 12:45 am PT…

Politico #210 & #213,

Lindorff’s numbers DO flip. The numbers from Lindorff’s commodity are still connected with the (very speculative) vote-swapping hypothesis.

39.6 / 36.3 = 1.091

38.6 / 34.9 = 1.106

The two ratios are not absolutely identical, but I don’t apperceive how Lindorff angled his numbers, which affects those ratios. Also, alike if the two groups (voters in hand-counted precincts, vs. the rest) both voted for Obama over Clinton to about the aforementioned degree, they wouldn’t acquire identical Obama/Clinton ratios, aback the 2 groups are absolute of anniversary other.

I’d point out that there are examples of added elections breadth two columns in the accretion software were swapped, and afresh an assay of the ballots arise the error.

So I am apperception that IF (big “IF”) the votes were swapped, it could acquire been a simple accident. It wouldn’t be the aboriginal time. In this scenario, the accompaniment of NH was disconnected into 2 groups (19% and 81%) that voted all-embracing the aforementioned admeasurement for Obama and Clinton, breadth the 81% accumulation had 2 candidates bandy votes, like has been absolute in added accomplished elections. I don’t anticipate THAT is a assembly theory, aback in that case there are aught awful individuals. Also, the vote totals don’t allegation to aback casting at the absolute end, if the aberration was programmed analogously into the software afore any voting took place.

COMMENT #216 [Permalink]… Mike T said on 1/12/2008 @ 5:02 am PT…

Ask yourself one question, if the votes were swapped, what should the “real” after-effects attending like? According to this theory, to absolute the results, the arrangement amid Obama/Clinton votes should bout about absolutely amid duke counted and apparatus counted regions.

Why should the ratios bout aback the demographics of the two regions are different? This is aloof a coincidence.

COMMENT #217 [Permalink]… trank said on 1/12/2008 @ 9:49 am PT…

why would the GOP appetite clinton instead of obama?

1) the GOP has already invested billions trashing the clintons, best of it on allocution radio2) trashing obama is not as easy. it’s easier for them to adumbrate their misogyny than their racism. the racist blowhards will be bitter their tongues to blood-soaked stumps afore november abutting year or all they will acquire voting for them is a baby minority. while abounding will altercate americans are abundantly racist, abandoned the absolutely austere racists will be able to breach with them3) obama has a accustomed aplomb that looks like the “royal (irrational) certitude” affection that the adapted loves in it’s candidates.

COMMENT #218 [Permalink]… Qiua_timet said on 1/12/2008 @ 10:25 am PT…

COMMENT #219 [Permalink]… Qiua_timet said on 1/12/2008 @ 10:31 am PT…

COMMENT #220 [Permalink]… bluebird said on 1/12/2008 @ 12:42 pm PT…

Trank, you put your feel on it. Trashing the Clintons on allocution radio, befitting the Clinton abhorrence alive, is a abundant abject motivator. What added acumen would Republicans alike acquire to vote in 2008? That’s why they appetite Hillary: they can exhausted her. She’s the abandoned one of the three frontrunners who loses in matchups with Republicans. She will accompany out their abject like no one else. And, as an added added bonus, should she by some blow of the afraid voting machines, absolutely win, able-bodied they’ll end up with a accumulated affable applicant who takes PAC money acquiescently and has accommodation as her defining characteristic. That bureau she can be controlled. She’s ideal. Republicans will win if she loses and win if she wins. I anticipate in some added angel her adeptness to accommodation would be aloof the adapted thing, but it’s not in this one: To digest the I Ching : There should be no accommodation with evil.

COMMENT #221 [Permalink]… oldturk said on 1/12/2008 @ 2:54 pm PT…

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COMMENT #222 [Permalink]… tristero said on 1/12/2008 @ 8:24 pm PT…

i acquire 2 words for everyone:

CITIZENS AUDIT

http://www.thelandesreport.com/CitizenAudit.htm

it’s activity be the abandoned way to ensure after-effects and ascertain ambiguous precincts. with kucinch’s low but committed aborigine turnout, his supporters can absolutely achieve this arise adequately easily.

this can arise both in NH and activity advanced in the primaries.

if we absolutely appetite acclamation reform, we’re activity to acquire to do it ourselves.

COMMENT #223 [Permalink]… Dan said on 1/12/2008 @ 8:27 pm PT…

HERE IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT YOU CAN DO!

The New HApshire Blab is important, for all the affirmation anybody is talking about, but ONLY IF ITS DONE FAST ENOUGH!

The actuality in allegation of the blab is Secretary of Accompaniment – William M. Gardner

Here is acquaintance info:

Phone: 603-271-3242 Fax: 603-271-6316Email: [email protected]

http://www.sos.nh.gov/re…nt columnist release.pdf

I anticipate that this recount, 60,000 votes that it is, can be done throughouly able-bodied afore added states elections. I’m abnormally afraid about Feb 5.

We allegation achieve abiding this happens! Please, if you accede with what I am saying, beforehand the chat and accelerate a email adapted now to William Gardner at [email protected]

You can additionally alarm at 603-271-3242, but email has the advantage that you can do it adapted now and not delay until the appointment opens Monday.

Please archetype this calendar and put it on any blogs or sites that you anticipate it belongs at. Clearly, the money and activity bare can calmly be rallied – let’s do out allotment to achieve it happen. There can be no alibi for this to booty so connected that the blab is done too late. Alike if the blab says the numbers are accurate, it’s important to apperceive that ASAP also.

Again, if you feel this is important amuse do commodity about it, and do it adapted away! It won’t bulk you a dollar, so if you are cat-and-mouse about killing time online adapted now, instead do this bit of legwork. You’ll be animated you did.

COMMENT #224 [Permalink]… bluebird said on 1/12/2008 @ 11:22 pm PT…

COMMENT #225 [Permalink]… Greg Symth said on 1/17/2008 @ 7:48 am PT…

1. New Hampshire Primaries Acclamation Fraud

If you acquire that able pollsters abandoned blend up aback trillions of dollars are on the band for the enactment afresh you are bluffing yourself. Statistics can be acclimated in court. At the absolute atomic as a base for acumen rather than authoritative up furnishings that abandoned abide based on convenience. If the cardboard ballots don’t bout the optical scans afresh we are assuredly accepting to the absolute arise atom in our aerial democracy. If we delay too connected they will avoid us.

2. Insensitive MLK Comment

During an acclamation aeon candidates should be added authentic in diction speech. The FULL CLIP of the comments she bogus are advancing at the absolute atomic if you are assured votes. And what affectionate of votes is she allurement for? Not a appealing thought. I absolutely acquire her animadversion shows able INCOMPETENCE.

3. Aborigine Suppression

Suppression of votes by alteration the DNC rules as they go would abort the arrangement all together. Is this what the courts in Nevada are absolutely aggravating to do?

Conclusion

You would acquire to be aphotic at this point to avoid the patterns of the old system. No bulk what. Vote your conscience. These guys anticipate their abstruse wisedom is added able and able to our country than BIODIVERSITY. I anticipate not!

PS: The apperception sees the abbreviate term. The affection sees the accomplished picture.

COMMENT #226 [Permalink]… Lisa Gibbons said on 1/17/2008 @ 8:08 am PT…

Unfortunitely HILLARY is starting to attending added and added like BRITNEY.

COMMENT #227 [Permalink]… Linda said on 1/19/2008 @ 6:31 pm PT…

I won’t say who I voted for but I anticipate they shouldn’t acquire to blab because Kucinich was too far abaft on the votes he may get alittle added votes but not abundant to get in the hunt to win.I could see if he was abutting but he wasn’t.

COMMENT #228 [Permalink]… F Face said on 1/23/2008 @ 1:00 pm PT…

Where acquire the comments acquaint aback 19th Jan gone?

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